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| Has anybody used OxyUlcer? Pretty sure I'm dealing with hind gut problems here. Scoped stomach-nothing. Depressed appetite for feed, poor coat, ribby, ganted up look, acid smelling poop, SO FRUSTRATED! I've ordered some equishure, thinking oxy-gen might help. Getting free choice hay, and 6 lbs safechoice, broken into two feedings. Has turned super picky since getting above symptoms, so supplements are out.
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5 days of ProBios paste, 1/2 tube morning and evening, and she's back begging for her grain and cleaning up 3 lbs morning and night. She actually started begging the 3rd morning and I caved and let her have her grain. She has stopped! Her flank has filled back in, and her ribs made tons of progress on disappearing. She looks lots better from a week ago! Just want to let y'all know.
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Location: sunny california | until the equisure gets there i would get some hay pellets and soak them.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Succeed has always healed our horses. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Tilt The Kilt - 2014-02-17 8:38 AM Succeed has always healed our horses.
Yep, succeed is awesome, the tubes are better than the granules. I get mine from Smartpak.
GastroPlus is really good also but more expensive than Succeed, I just ues it when I haul or pre race.
Antacids can make hindgut issues worse so use with caution. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | GastroPLUS has always worked great for hind gut ulcers |
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Location: Texas | If your horse has hindgut ulcers they would be super sick!!!! Worm or put the horse on neigh-lox for acid control. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Yes, I used Oxy-Ulcer and it worked great for both kinds of ulcers. |
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| mollibtexan - 2014-02-17 12:55 PM
If your horse has hindgut ulcers they would be super sick!!!! Worm or put the horse on neigh-lox for acid control.
The horse was power packed over a month ago. Neigh lox isn't an option. I did talk to Texas A&M today (who scoped her) and they said that a round of probiotics would probably do the most good. |
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| Equishure is a great product for hindgut ulcers!! I have two horses that have had ulcer issues and it help dramatically. Neigh lox, aloe juice are just a band aid to the issue. |
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| My cribber almost is non cribber my blacksmith was out this mourning befor imgot to,the barn and shod my horse super early said he heard no cribbing. 6 months ago i stopped fedding grain. I feed wet beet pulp and about 3lb of alfalfa pellets twice a day and at night give some hay forage about a coffee can full and about 10lb of,grass hay. No chewing wood, no stall walking no tail scatching. Horses are calm. My yearling gets 2 lb times 2 times a day. Most likely never go back to commerical grain. even when my barn is wet when the lot was so wet could not clean stalls, my barn does not smell, no urine smell or anything. I have learned a lot started with hay cubes, but i lie the hay forage and i dump the beet pulp and alfalfa pellets right in same bucket and they eat a little slower.
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Location: Lost in the swamps | My gelding started acting sluggish, started to loose
Weight, just wasn't looking as nice as he usually does, had diaherra
Only at the barrels races,
Even though I was feeding a high quality sweet feed and
Good quality hay, I don't have a lot of money but my horses eat better than I do! I knew something just wasn't right,did blood work and fecal. red cell count were slightly low but being the middle of summer was vet said it was normal and had no worms.
Figured it was hind gut acidosis, started him on probiotics, pellets and within three weeks he was back to shiny, filling out more. I Did a lot of research on it! And it has helped! the last few shows we went to he had solid stools! |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Went through the same thing with mine. Scoped clear, nothing on stomach probe/tap either. Slow on feed & same symptoms. He was also anemic and had a low WBC as well. The vet school couldn't figure it out - he was there a week. This was a few years back before they really knew as much as they do now about ulcers in the gut.
What I had to do with him was let his appetite tell me what was working -- I could feed him the best stuff in the world but if he didn't eat it, it wouldn't work. What worked for him was pulling him off all molassas, beet pulp (even the kind without molassas) and joint supplements(especially MSM). I fed him straight grains, flax, alfalfa, and TLC Animal's general supplment -- everything else had molassas in it. I added Gut Proof by Horsepower Herbs for a short while as well. That really kicked his appetite in high gear -- it has herbs that encourage mucous in the hind gut. The mucous protects the ulcerated spots which is what is needed for healing.
Definitely no bute or banamine. That will irritate and keep the ulcerated spots from healing. |
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| Thanks Fairweather. I think I'm definitely headed for a nuts and bolts approach. I pulled her off her feed yesterday, just providing free choice hay and a good mineral and plenty of fresh water. Also going to do probiotic paste for five days or so, and run through the OxyUlcer to fix her pH if she's still off her appetite a week or so after the probiotic course. She had her first probiotics yesterday, and was looking for her bucket this morning. I felt pretty guilty not bringing one, but we're going to do this SLOW! I'm really thankful with everyone's suggestions. Thanks!! It just helped me to get a game plan together, for sure!! |
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| Has any of you ever had one refuse to go in the alley because of this? |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Mine is great in the alley will walk in with no baulking
Just just was having diahreah at shows. So sorry no help here.
I have hear of stomach ulcers causing problems in the alley. But not hind gut. Maybe my horse wasn't bad and I caught it quick before problems developed?? |
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Location: SW North Dakota | Fairweather - 2014-02-17 7:51 PM
Went through the same thing with mine. Scoped clear, nothing on stomach probe/tap either. Slow on feed & same symptoms. He was also anemic and had a low WBC as well. The vet school couldn't figure it out - he was there a week. This was a few years back before they really knew as much as they do now about ulcers in the gut.
What I had to do with him was let his appetite tell me what was working -- I could feed him the best stuff in the world but if he didn't eat it, it wouldn't work. What worked for him was pulling him off all molassas, beet pulp (even the kind without molassas) and joint supplements(especially MSM). I fed him straight grains, flax, alfalfa, and TLC Animal's general supplment -- everything else had molassas in it. I added Gut Proof by Horsepower Herbs for a short while as well. That really kicked his appetite in high gear -- it has herbs that encourage mucous in the hind gut. The mucous protects the ulcerated spots which is what is needed for healing.
Definitely no bute or banamine. That will irritate and keep the ulcerated spots from healing.
Not trying to steal the thread but would giving bute or banamine to a horse with ulcers cause them to have colic like symptoms? I had given my horse some banamine this summer for some heat on his back....not very much at all. We were on a trail ride, so he was tied up to the trailer that night. He was good from about 8ish all the way till around 4am. My friend and i were sleeping in the back of the trailer and heard him throwing a fit. He was doing a lot of pawing and trying to lay down when he was tied. She went out to untie him and he immediately went down. We struggled to get him up. I thought he was colicing and going to die right there. I became an ass and made him get up, once up I walked him like crazy. He kept kicking at his stomach while walking. About 15 minutes of walking and he was all of a sudden fine. No more symptoms the rest of the weekend. He was watched like and hawk and wasn't ridden the next day. He had been acting like he's had ulcers and wasn't being treated yet so I'm wondering if that banamine I gave him might have caused that episode? He had a fresh poop right beside him so I wasn't sure what had happened. I've never seen colic come on that fast and bad and then all of a sudden disappear. ??? |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | klutz02 - 2014-02-18 11:46 AM
Fairweather - 2014-02-17 7:51 PM
Went through the same thing with mine. Scoped clear, nothing on stomach probe/tap either. Slow on feed & same symptoms. He was also anemic and had a low WBC as well. The vet school couldn't figure it out - he was there a week. This was a few years back before they really knew as much as they do now about ulcers in the gut.
What I had to do with him was let his appetite tell me what was working -- I could feed him the best stuff in the world but if he didn't eat it, it wouldn't work. What worked for him was pulling him off all molassas, beet pulp (even the kind without molassas) and joint supplements(especially MSM). I fed him straight grains, flax, alfalfa, and TLC Animal's general supplment -- everything else had molassas in it. I added Gut Proof by Horsepower Herbs for a short while as well. That really kicked his appetite in high gear -- it has herbs that encourage mucous in the hind gut. The mucous protects the ulcerated spots which is what is needed for healing.
Definitely no bute or banamine. That will irritate and keep the ulcerated spots from healing.
Not trying to steal the thread but would giving bute or banamine to a horse with ulcers cause them to have colic like symptoms? I had given my horse some banamine this summer for some heat on his back....not very much at all. We were on a trail ride, so he was tied up to the trailer that night. He was good from about 8ish all the way till around 4am. My friend and i were sleeping in the back of the trailer and heard him throwing a fit. He was doing a lot of pawing and trying to lay down when he was tied. She went out to untie him and he immediately went down. We struggled to get him up. I thought he was colicing and going to die right there. I became an ass and made him get up, once up I walked him like crazy. He kept kicking at his stomach while walking. About 15 minutes of walking and he was all of a sudden fine. No more symptoms the rest of the weekend. He was watched like and hawk and wasn't ridden the next day. He had been acting like he's had ulcers and wasn't being treated yet so I'm wondering if that banamine I gave him might have caused that episode? He had a fresh poop right beside him so I wasn't sure what had happened. I've never seen colic come on that fast and bad and then all of a sudden disappear. ???
In my case the bute is exactly what caused my horse's issues to start, and not a high dose at all. When I wasresearching on my own for this horse because I didnt get answers from the vets, I ran across a study from a university in NC stating that their studies showed Banamine actually can irritate ulcerations in the gut and keep them from healing. Initially it helps with the pain but it does more damage after the fact. My horse started out as what seemed like a classic colic case too but the vets determined that he didn't colic. |
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Owner of a ratting catting machine
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| UPDATE!! ----->5 days of ProBios paste, 1/2 tube morning and evening, and she's back begging for her grain and cleaning up 3 lbs morning and night. She actually started begging the 3rd morning and I caved and let her have her grain. She hasn't stopped! Her flank has filled back in, and her ribs made tons of progress on disappearing. She looks lots better from a week ago! Just want to let y'all know.
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