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Location: Where I am happiest | CrossCreek - 2014-03-18 11:04 PM why would you think they should NOT run in the race?
Who said I dont think they should? In fact, I DO think they should. The reason I ask is there is a producer who puts on quite a few races. She started putting on races because there werent any within a 3 hr drive. She works hard, does multiple assoc. approvals on her races and gives out great awards that she puts alot of thought into. She is this year putting up 4 saddles in her summer series. One for each D. She runs her horse at her races, but she never nominates for the awards. I told her she should. She works hard to bring the races to the area and I personally see no reason why she shouldnt nominate her horse also. She has to run just like everybody else. I just dont think she should penalize herself for doing all the work and keep herself exempt. She said she would like to nominate her horse, but also feels funny about it if she should happen to win any awards. Sooooooooooo, thats why I am asking what you all thought. | |
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Location: Midwest | rockette - 2014-03-19 10:37 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
They were not early in the class, but always first in the drag
Should have clarified. I understand why they'd need to go early due to what you stated | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 11:00 AM
rockette - 2014-03-19 10:37 AM
barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM
There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events.
In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return.
I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly.
Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL
I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
They were not early in the class, but always first in the drag
Should have clarified. I understand why they'd need to go early due to what you stated
I am not getting on you. I understand the frustration when things seem hinky. I helped at a barrel race once where she set the% payouts after the open. Some were miffed andtthought the producer was waiting to see where they placed before setting up the percentage on the payouts. I agree and didn't help that particular producer after my commitment was over. The percentage of payout is always the same, whether you are doing 10 or 20 % payback is set. I have also seen a producer make sure their 3 horses were run how they wanted and changed the computer draw. Most of the time it's all good.  | |
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| As a producer, NBHA director, and competitor, I think that I have the right to run in barrel races where I am the promoter. If I couldn't run then dang if I'd work my tail off putting on the show. Because, as other promoters can vouch, you DON'T make as much money as others think you do (at small 50-150 entry jackpots anyways). As far as drawing up top of the ground all the time...its the luck of the draw, just like it is for everyone else. I will say that if I draw up 1st in the drag multiple times at a show, I will more than likely move myself down in the drag, which is just as much cheating as is putting yourself 1st every time (but who's gonna complain about moving yourself down?!). At most of our races we have a visible timer board, so there is no question as to what I run nor what anyone else runs. All of the results, points, and money are posted on our website so everyone can view. There are no questions as to how I placed or got points or how I won an award...the proof is in the pudding!!
The shows that I put on are run as fairly as possible...as a producer that's the only thing you can do to ensure your shows are reputable. As for those who have constant complaints, this is the way I look at it: the road that brought you to that show will also take you home...bye!! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-03-19 10:44 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-03-18 10:36 PM Why not they need to have fun too, to me thats why they are producers so they will have a good place to go run barrels 
Renee that puts on the Wrapn3 runs at her own barrel races, and I dont see any harm in that, shes a truely honest lady and enjoys what she does. In fact I think its great to have the producers running at their own show, they make sure that everything is just right | |
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Location: My Own Little World | As a producer, I am in full agreement that a producer should be able to run in their own event. Now, people are people and you will find producers you don't like for whatever reason. And all that being said, I don't typicly run in my own events because I am VERY OCD about the way my races are run and I get too nervous being away from my little perch :) | |
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| As a new director for NBHA I would NOT of taken the position if I didn't run at the shows I coordinate or "produce."
What fun would it really be to be the director?
The purpose was so that we could get consistent shows in our area for everyone to go to INCLUDING me. | |
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Location: Qld Australia | rockette - 2014-03-20 1:37 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-03-19 9:32 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-03-19 9:27 AM There are crooked people in every walk of life. I feel that if I do my job to the best of my ability and keep it as fair as possible then the contestants can make up their own mind if they want to keep coming back to my events. In reference to my statement prior.... I went to one show. Every run she made, she was first on the drags... I heard the same was every show, so I just did not return. I have since (in all my years showing barrels or other disciplines ) never seen anything like that again. I value the hard work producers put in. I've been on that end as a helper, and there is a lot on their plates with oftentimes more complainers than folks willing to step up. I appreciate their efforts. Greatly. Not sure why it quoted CYA, I am not computering well today LOL I don't have a problem with the producer being first in the drag. I can't tell you how many times people want their checks ASAP aafter the open is finished. The office gets clogged up with people wanting to know where they placed, what their points are, who won what, checks for a friend, when will it all be posted, what time won the whole thing. Running first allows producers to run then get to the office so all those questions can behhandled and checks written so barrel racers can get on their way.
You took the words right out of my mouth (so to speak).
The amount of work they put into these series, give em a break!! | |
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