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Location: WV | I tried a little s hack on my mare that is having some teeth issues right now. Cause she had been shaking her head. Had her teeth worked on and vet suggested a hack. Before anyone suggest a dentist we don't have that luxury around here unless your at a big barn and they come twice a year. She acted a little confused, like she did not know what to do at times. It was like she didn't know what way to go or she was fighting it. She even popped up a little bit in a spin. Response was good, backing, stopping. I do have a video but it on my husbands phone right now. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | A hackamore works very differently from a bit and they have to be taught what the cues mean, as well as adjusting your own riding somewhat. Start with baby steps--I bump you on this side, it means give me your nose, etc. It's easier to get one into a hackamore that already knows how to ride well in a shanked bit, but there is still a learning curve there. Most will catch on pretty quick if you give them the chance to figure it out. |
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| In my experience, hackamore horses don't ride well in bits, and bit horses don't ride well in hackamores. I've only known a couple that savvey both.... |
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Location: WV | Thanks, I was really hoping this would work for us. We could not believe how much better she responded this this than her bit. Could it have been because of the nose piece? |
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| classicpotatochip - 2014-05-03 12:10 PM
In my experience, hackamore horses don't ride well in bits, and bit horses don't ride well in hackamores. I've only known a couple that savvey both....
I disagree with this post, it all comes down to training, all my horses I can work in a snaffle, and in a s shank hack. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | classicpotatochip - 2014-05-03 12:10 PM In my experience, hackamore horses don't ride well in bits, and bit horses don't ride well in hackamores. I've only known a couple that savvey both.... I've had tons of horses ride well in both. Only one horse absolutely hated bits and would only ride nice in a hack. I've never had one that didn't learn to ride well in a hack, although they won't all run well in one.
I've trained a buttload of horses in this one. Right now, I'm using it on a colt with a leather curb instead of a chain. She initially was confused, but caught on in about 5 minutes.
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Location: WV | Do you care to go into a little more detail on this for me? She actually used her but more when in the hack. My husband said he wasn't expecting her to stop so hard.
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| Was she the horse with really bad teeth?
If she has sores on the sides of her mouth this will diffentlh cause the horse to pop up ina spin as the hack puts pressure on it.
All my horses are ridden in both yes they are different but nothing a little bit of training cant over come (usualy i know their are son horses that it wont work for) if you really want a hackamore horse. But i do know my more senstive horses really get stressed with the chain chinstrap that comes with it, i take them off and put nice leather ones on. My most broke and trained fancy horse acatualy completely loses her mind with the chain chin strap lol. |
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Location: WV | Yes two of her teeth (pre-molar) were rather long and sloping and she has an ulcer on each side of her mouth. She has never popped up like she did yesterday. |
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| mam0329 - 2014-05-03 11:47 AM
Yes two of her teeth (pre-molar) were rather long and sloping and she has an ulcer on each side of her mouth. She has never popped up like she did yesterday.
I would think a huge % of your issues was the ulcers, if you look at the picture the other BB posted you can see that the hack will put pressure all along the tooth line causing pain with the ulcers.
If she were mine id just give the horse time to heal then get back riding. You could maybe try a boasell if you have to ride they sit a bit differently.
Just woundering how she is in her bit? Sometimes they dont bug the ulcers near as much as a hack depending on the shank and what kind of bit it is. |
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Location: WV | della - 2014-05-03 1:53 PM
mam0329 - 2014-05-03 11:47 AM
Yes two of her teeth (pre-molar) were rather long and sloping and she has an ulcer on each side of her mouth. She has never popped up like she did yesterday.
I would think a huge % of your issues was the ulcers, if you look at the picture the other BB posted you can see that the hack will put pressure all along the tooth line causing pain with the ulcers.
If she were mine id just give the horse time to heal then get back riding. You could maybe try a boasell if you have to ride they sit a bit differently.
Just woundering how she is in her bit? Sometimes they dont bug the ulcers near as much as a hack depending on the shank and what kind of bit it is.
I use a cg delight with a dr bristol mouth piece. |
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| I don't throw a hack on and expect them to work like they do with the bit the first time.
How the hack works also depends on how tight you have the curb, the tighter the faster the reaction, how long the shank is, the longer the shank, the harsher the reaction, and what the nosepiece is, rope is quite severe, leather is easy on their nose. I wrap mine with cotton and secure with vet wrap.
The first 5 min I get my horses to give side to side, do turn arounds, get control of shoulder and hip, then I get them to back up. I try and be extremely light with my hands.
I also place mine where the halter should be placed as this is the spot on the head that has the least amount of nerves.
With the horses head popping up, my guess you excerpted too much pressure and she was telling you. |
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Location: WV | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 8:43 PM
I don't throw a hack on and expect them to work like they do with the bit the first time.
How the hack works also depends on how tight you have the curb, the tighter the faster the reaction, how long the shank is, the longer the shank, the harsher the reaction, and what the nosepiece is, rope is quite severe, leather is easy on their nose. I wrap mine with cotton and secure with vet wrap.
The first 5 min I get my horses to give side to side, do turn arounds, get control of shoulder and hip, then I get them to back up. I try and be extremely light with my hands.
I also place mine where the halter should be placed as this is the spot on the head that has the least amount of nerves.
With the horses head popping up, my guess you excerpted too much pressure and she was telling you.
Thank you
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