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| I need some tips on what to do about this my gelding has a wonderful stop EXCEPT when he is running and I feel like I am on a freight train. I have gone back to the basics and spent all winter walk stop trot stop lope stop. I can literally just sit and say whoe and he stops and burys his butt but when he runs its like it all goes out the window lol. Now he is in now way a run away and we don't end up in the back 40 after a run but we always have to lope a couple of circles before we stop stop. I guess i don't know what to do because when we are doing slow work he has such a wonderful stop. |
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Location: Montana | CanCan - 2014-05-06 12:48 PM Enjoy the ride. 
I'm having a little bit of this issue with my mare. I can get her stopped, but I'm going to have to back to circling/turning at the end of a run or we are going to be running into a fence or gate (or gateman, LOL)! I've thought about bitting her up, but I'm not sure that is the right answer as she is soft and doesn't need more than a snaffle to rate or turn, it is just coming off the end of a run I need the whoa. Just circle him and get hi slowed down I guess...don't know what else to tell you.
Edited by mtcanchazer 2014-05-06 1:53 PM
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| It's one thing to do a nice stop while doing your dry work, and quite another to do it during the excitement of a run. I think what you need to do is practice stopping while on the pattern. You don't necessarily need to do a full-out run, but do it at a lope or a good trot.
I have found that doing one rein stops works really well because then they can't brace against you. Start out doing them at a trot so your horse understands what a one-rein stop is and then gradually work yourself up to faster gaits.
Make sure that you are riding correctly as well. If you are still in the go position, there is no wonder your horse wouldn't stop. Sit deep in your saddle, really exaggerating your whoa cues.
Hope this helps :) |
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Location: Phoenix | Have you tried verbal cues? I like to talk low and slow and say "easy" or "okay" to get them to rate down. Sit deep and talk to him. |
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| I do say WHOE all the time when i stop because I always like to ask with my voice and my butt before i pull on their mouth. So I will try working it on the pattern because it is just so frustrating because you can be loping along and say whoe and he drops his butt and stops and then coming home from a run its like he just forgets just gradually slows. |
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| Maybe he hurts when he slams on the brakes from a dead run! I guess it doesn't bother me, I would rather circle one that hustles all the way to the gate than have one shut down on me half way home. |
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| Well I am not asking him to slam into the ground to stop I would just like him to slow down alittle easier after our run. I always have them circle it is just i feel like a speed racer after our run doing our circles to slow down. |
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| EmtRoper - 2014-05-06 4:33 PM
Well I am not asking him to slam into the ground to stop I would just like him to slow down alittle easier after our run. I always have them circle it is just i feel like a speed racer after our run doing our circles to slow down.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean that to sound like I was attacking you. Have you ever let him come nose to nose with the gate after a run, maybe he needs a wake up call! |
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| But I will look into him hurting when he goes in for his next appt. |
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| Oh don't worry i didn't take it as attacking me. I could let him try that and make him realize that whoe means the same thing no matter what speed we are going. |
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | Maybe try working out some downward transitions and saying a word other than "whoa" like "easy" so he associates "easy" with "downshifting" so to speak. I so this with my horses out in the field; I breeze them and gradually ask them to stop and when I say "whoa" I dont want anymore forward motion. So "easy" gets them rating down knowing we are going to stop. |
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| This is a good idea as well. All things I can work on, thank you everyone for their input. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Horses learn by repetition and they associate places with doing certain things -- for instance, when they get to a barrel, they know to slow down and rate. They get to that same place and they do the same thing every time. They change leads at the same place every time.
If you're consistent, you do the same thing at the end of your run -- the key is to do it the same way at the same place every single time. After every run immediately get off and loosen your cinch. If he doesn't stop until the back 40, start there. But as soon as you can get him stopped, get off and loosen your cinch. You can sweeten the deal a little by even giving him a treat.
If you do that every single time, he'll start to learn the routine and learn that it's time to stop right after your run -- just like he's learned the routine of running the pattern. You're giving him an incentive and rewarding him by letting him quit. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I can take the stop out of a horse faster than you can say Jack Sprat. Its a gift. I'm trying to fix myself but sometimes gifts are hard to break. |
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