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Location: Texas | check ligament?? might be what you are looking for | |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-05-13 3:43 PM
check ligament?? might be what you are looking for
Vet called it Jack Ligament and that's what's on all my paperwork, located in his rear leg at the hock area. 
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Location: Texas | Rustynailfl - 2014-05-13 2:52 PM
casualdust07 - 2014-05-13 3:43 PM
check ligament?? might be what you are looking for
Vet called it Jack Ligament and that's what's on all my paperwork, located in his rear leg at the hock area.
I wonder if its another term for the long plantar ligament. what did he say was going on? Let me dig around. | |
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Location: Texas | okay nix my idea of long plantar ligament… but i did find something
some people call it "jack spavin" when theres bone spavin on the medial side of the hock (the inside) the bony growth irritates tendons on the inside hock area. Is that what's going on? The article says the tendon thats irritated can be cut
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| I have done it quite a few times. It used to be a common procedure for the standardbreds. It isn't a tough recovery, and really helped the ones who needed it. The jack cords can get loose and painful. I used to try peppering the jacks with cortisone before we cut them. Sometimes that was all they needed, they would tighten right up. Sometimes it was a quick fix, and wound up needing to cut them anyway. Hope that helps. Good luck. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Bone Spavin or Jack Spavin (Degenerative Joint Disease of the Distal Tarsal Joints):
Introduction and Causative Agents: Bone spavin is found most often in horses that are ridden at high speeds, where they are used for jumping, reining, roping, and cutting. Damage and inflammation occurs in the lower bones and joints of the hock when compression and rotation stresses are placed on the hock during these exercises. Like bog spavin, these injuries are often the result of poor conformation (straight, cow, or sickle hocked). Some studies show that nutritional imbalances and deficiencies may also play a role in this disease.
Clinical Signs/Diagnosis: These horses often have a history of being moderately lame after exercise, but improve with rest. These horses are positive to the spavin or hock flexion test. To perform a spavin test, the limb should be held in this position, with the cannon bone parallel to the ground, for 1-2 minutes (see figure 6). Once the limb is released, watch the horse for signs of lameness as it is trotted away. Because of the inflammation to the periosteum (periostitis), extra bone is formed over the front and inside areas of the hock joint. As a result, a firm, boney bump can often be detected on the inside (medial) portion of the lower hock (see figure 7). Radiographs are very important in diagnosing this disease. Multiple views of both hocks are often necessary to help identify the problem. | |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-05-13 9:59 PM Bone Spavin or Jack Spavin (Degenerative Joint Disease of the Distal Tarsal Joints):
Introduction and Causative Agents: Bone spavin is found most often in horses that are ridden at high speeds, where they are used for jumping, reining, roping, and cutting. Damage and inflammation occurs in the lower bones and joints of the hock when compression and rotation stresses are placed on the hock during these exercises. Like bog spavin, these injuries are often the result of poor conformation (straight, cow, or sickle hocked). Some studies show that nutritional imbalances and deficiencies may also play a role in this disease.
Clinical Signs/Diagnosis: These horses often have a history of being moderately lame after exercise, but improve with rest. These horses are positive to the spavin or hock flexion test. To perform a spavin test, the limb should be held in this position, with the cannon bone parallel to the ground, for 1-2 minutes (see figure 6). Once the limb is released, watch the horse for signs of lameness as it is trotted away. Because of the inflammation to the periosteum (periostitis), extra bone is formed over the front and inside areas of the hock joint. As a result, a firm, boney bump can often be detected on the inside (medial) portion of the lower hock (see figure 7). Radiographs are very important in diagnosing this disease. Multiple views of both hocks are often necessary to help identify the problem.
This is good info, in the same area, but not the same thing. | |
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| Thank you! Yes, the surgery would consist of cutting the ligament and has a 4-6 week recovery time. Unfortunately I planned on leaving for States June 17th, and he was the horse I was planning to ride. :(
I have to go back June 3rd to see the other Dr since he would not let the Dr that was there nerve block that area...of course my luck. The other Dr only comes in once a month and she said he could usually diagnose this with just examining the horse.
My next step is to figure out if I will be doing the surgery that day and take my other horse to states, or they said they could mix up a concoction to inject him with to get him through the week and do the surgery after States. In the mean time he would have over a months break. I would not even consider putting him through this if we were not for sure that it would not cause any more damage but the Dr said that it couldn't get any worse. Also wouldn't consider this if I could actually RIDE my other horse, lol.
I am going to focus on her for the next few weeks and see if I can get comfortable enough with her to take her, we have a bit of a 'history' that has been hard to get past. & quite honestly, at this point I think she is just 'too much' horse for me at this time. Since this will only be my second time at a large show like this I know my nerves will be up the wall and that mixed with a new horse is going to be pretty challenging, but I'm going to try! I am taking a few lessons and we will go from there.
Injections...what exactly would be injected into the area? I am imagining something along the lines to reduce the inflammation, etc?? I also contacted another vet and she said that this type of procedure used to be done and lot but that they normally now only inject the ligament...but didn't say with what...
Thank you all!!
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Location: Oklahoma | a track vet in IA always called them JAck Cords ... we've injected it before but the thought of cutting it scares me lol | |
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| I used to work for a primarily equine vet who has since retired, that did this surgery frequently........had it done on one horse ~ helped some. It is not a scarey surgery whatsoever, usually done standing up with a tranq and a local anesthetic used. That being said, I would not let someone do that who had not done them previously, but wouldn't hesitate to do that again if needed. The part being cut can cause irritation by rubbing against the hock and creating tension.....cutting it relieves the tightness and pressure and usually makes one more comfortable. A very well known horse in my area started falling at the first barrel ~ had this surgery and the problem was over. I know of a former NFR barrel racer who has this done routinely ........ | |
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Location: Texas | I love lay terminology.. Jack cords, what the heck kind of name is that! Horse people are so interesting.
In anatomy all the horse people always caught flack because we call the carpus in horses their "knee" so you can't call the stifle the knee in any other species…even though the stifle is the analog to the knee.
If what I read was correct, they are cutting a branch of the cunean tendon. There's a ton of tendons and ligaments in that area, I'm sure that the joint won't be compromised by cutting that one small branch. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Amazing Grace - 2014-05-13 10:02 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-05-13 9:59 PM Bone Spavin or Jack Spavin (Degenerative Joint Disease of the Distal Tarsal Joints):
Introduction and Causative Agents: Bone spavin is found most often in horses that are ridden at high speeds, where they are used for jumping, reining, roping, and cutting. Damage and inflammation occurs in the lower bones and joints of the hock when compression and rotation stresses are placed on the hock during these exercises. Like bog spavin, these injuries are often the result of poor conformation (straight, cow, or sickle hocked). Some studies show that nutritional imbalances and deficiencies may also play a role in this disease.
Clinical Signs/Diagnosis: These horses often have a history of being moderately lame after exercise, but improve with rest. These horses are positive to the spavin or hock flexion test. To perform a spavin test, the limb should be held in this position, with the cannon bone parallel to the ground, for 1-2 minutes (see figure 6). Once the limb is released, watch the horse for signs of lameness as it is trotted away. Because of the inflammation to the periosteum (periostitis), extra bone is formed over the front and inside areas of the hock joint. As a result, a firm, boney bump can often be detected on the inside (medial) portion of the lower hock (see figure 7). Radiographs are very important in diagnosing this disease. Multiple views of both hocks are often necessary to help identify the problem. This is good info, in the same area, but not the same thing.
I kind of figured not. I know what you were explaining and it wasnt it but it was explanation of a bone spavin and they called it jack spavin . just for her info.. you know its weird because I think if Im correct she posted a video of her horse and it looked like it was tight.. i have not ever done that sort of thing to any of mine but it did appear to be like it needed the tension like a rubberband out of a ligiment or muscle even was tight.. I cant explain it..rusty didnt you post a video before of your boy. | |
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| mouse - 2014-05-14 10:15 AM
I used to work for a primarily equine vet who has since retired, that did this surgery frequently........had it done on one horse ~ helped some.  It is not a scarey surgery whatsoever, usually done standing up with a tranq and a local anesthetic used. That being said, I would not let someone do that who had not done them previously, but wouldn't hesitate to do that again if needed. The part being cut can cause irritation by rubbing against the hock and creating tension.....cutting it relieves the tightness and pressure and usually makes one more comfortable. A very well known horse in my area started falling at the first barrel ~ had this surgery and the problem was over. I know of a former NFR barrel racer who has this done routinely ........
This vet has done this surgery a lot over the years, he is actually retired himself but comes into the office once a month for these types of things. I was told he sometimes performed this surgery 4 x's a week back in the day. I also hear nothing but praises about him so I am not too worried about that, and I am sure once he looks at him with his knowledge he will hopefully be able to tell if that is actually the issue. I feel a lot better having a second opinion take a look at him.
My guy in 2/5 lame in the right rear, it is almost hardly noticeable unless you really look at it well with a trained eye. My local vet even missed it. I did not know this was happening until a very good trainer pointed it out. So for the past year or more he has been running like this...broke my heart :( I knew that something was up because of the way he was performing decreased and just his typical run style changed and was trying to get it figured out, but like I said its so hardly noticeable anyone could miss it. Dr told me that he falls into like her 25% range of horses that make it very hard to diagnose something like this. Again....my luck! We believe this has been going on for quite some time and he has actually developed ulcers from the stress. He is now being treated for that also. His whole attitude this past year has slowly took a turn for the worse, so I am excited about getting my "old" horse back...guess that's really the only good thing about all this that I can think of right now.
Also forgot to say, she x-rayed his hock also and said it was beautiful, so at least we can rule out any bone fragments, etc.
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Location: Florida.. | glad you found the answer and soon be running and feeling good again.. | |
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-05-14 10:34 AM
Amazing Grace - 2014-05-13 10:02 PM Bibliafarm - 2014-05-13 9:59 PM Â Bone Spavin or Jack Spavin (Degenerative Joint Disease of the Distal Tarsal Joints):
Introduction and Causative Agents: Bone spavin is found most often in horses that are ridden at high speeds, where they are used for jumping, reining, roping, and cutting. Damage and inflammation occurs in the lower bones and joints of the hock when compression and rotation stresses are placed on the hock during these exercises. Like bog spavin, these injuries are often the result of poor conformation (straight, cow, or sickle hocked). Some studies show that nutritional imbalances and deficiencies may also play a role in this disease.
Clinical Signs/Diagnosis: These horses often have a history of being moderately lame after exercise, but improve with rest. These horses are positive to the spavin or hock flexion test. To perform a spavin test, the limb should be held in this position, with the cannon bone parallel to the ground, for 1-2 minutes (see figure 6). Once the limb is released, watch the horse for signs of lameness as it is trotted away. Because of the inflammation to the periosteum (periostitis), extra bone is formed over the front and inside areas of the hock joint. As a result, a firm, boney bump can often be detected on the inside (medial) portion of the lower hock (see figure 7). Radiographs are very important in diagnosing this disease. Multiple views of both hocks are often necessary to help identify the problem. This is good info, in the same area, but not the same thing.Â
Yes I did, I will try to post the link again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHOHOZJJBiA
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| Bibliafarm - 2014-05-14 10:46 AM
glad you found the answer and soon be running and feeling good again..Â
Thank you me too! Nothing weighs on my mind more than knowing something isn't right with my horse. | |
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