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Location: Cocoa, Florida | This is how I try to train my horses as well, I use more of a teardrop turn then a circle, both of my horses have a good amount of bend but they still run a bit more square. I've trained a few that did great with this style and I trained a few who didn't do as well.
I do a lot of square work with my over benders and a lot of round work with my stiff ones.
Best exercise I do to make them real snappy on the 3rd quarter of that turn is do 360 roll backs and leave fast on the opposite side of the barrel. That will make them snap harder. But remember, your horse must be good and broke to do these exercises and run this way!!!!
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | This is my more square runner
http://youtu.be/xU8OxznCnGk
http://youtu.be/dvR5wXMm9jg
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Location: Texas | casualdust07 - 2014-06-04 10:03 AM
What do you think Bunny is?? I've found her A LOT easier to run than Lucy. Lucy and I hit lots of barrels. She doesn't roll back but she's just so dang ratey.
I haven't got to watch her work yet! But I will next Thursday! ;)
Not that it matters, because apparently whatever style it is, it's working!
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Location: Texas | grinandbareit - 2014-06-05 9:34 AM
casualdust07 - 2014-06-04 10:03 AM
What do you think Bunny is?? I've found her A LOT easier to run than Lucy. Lucy and I hit lots of barrels. She doesn't roll back but she's just so dang ratey.
I haven't got to watch her work yet! But I will next Thursday! ; )
Not that it matters, because apparently whatever style it is, it's working!
I am getting so excited!! I don't think my portable panels are going to get here in time so I may be staying in Alvarado for part of it. Darn I really wanted those panels to get here. |
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| clover girl - 2014-06-03 1:15 PM
kissmybarrelbutt - 2014-06-03 10:48 AM clover girl - 2014-06-03 7:47 AM This is how I try to train all my horses to run. The style ends up very fast, plus they are able to hold their footing in the WORST ground.
Basically you make a D around the barrel.
This also alows for a horse to decide how to turn naturally. If they are more of a roll back, they will level out on the approach, If they are 4x4 they run all the way around.
Plus the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. Not to highjack the OP's thread but could you post a video of you running your horses or loping a colt through? I'd like to see it the pattern in action. That makes sense in my puny brain about the footing!! 
Running:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9uv_1zYqXo
My daughter trotting the mare. You can see the pivot point better here I think .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEyeBI-UFyc
Different horse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYrejxGImWs
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Location: Phoenix | I think I naturally pattern one in the fishhook or "d" style. I also think that Stingray kind of runs in that style. I just like them lined up for the next barrel when they are coming out. When you are making perfect circles, they seem to bow out on the outside. That's what it seems like to me. |
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| My main horse has the D style turn you are describing, but unlike most of those who have posted here having the push style, he is very much a free runner. In the past 2 years we have only knocked 1 barrel, that being said I couldn't tell you how many times he has rolled back so hard because I over rode him and ended up on the wrong side of the barrel. He's 16.1 and sometimes I didn't think it was physically possible for him to roll back on the same side but he sure enough did it and humbled me in the process. 
I have found if I really shape his body about 10-12 feet from the barrel and then leave him alone we have one quick smooth turn. And the launch from coming back over himself and leaving the barrel keeps me in the gym so I can keep up!!
Good luck! They aren't easy, but it will definitely be worth it! |
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Location: South Dakota | hammer_time - 2014-06-06 12:19 AM I think I naturally pattern one in the fishhook or "d" style. I also think that Stingray kind of runs in that style. I just like them lined up for the next barrel when they are coming out. When you are making perfect circles, they seem to bow out on the outside. That's what it seems like to me.
I do better with a combo of straighter longer/D style, rather that a circle type turn...seems like they want to run that little circle...and bow out and get front endy.. |
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Location: TEXAS | Great post and I enjoyed everyones videos?) My mare is a rollback or D style turner. She was very hard for me to get with and I made several runs where I brought down 2 barrels! Now that I am with her I love it and have made several clean runs in a row bottom 2D and top of 3D. The things that helped me the most were running her with long reins and NOT reaching down too low on the rein and trying to keep my pocket very small going in.... She is also a push style horse. |
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Location: California | Is it OK to not have a lot of bend in his neck going around the barrel if they hate it?
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Location: In a happy place | *almost there* - 2014-06-08 1:59 AM Is it OK to not have a lot of bend in his neck going around the barrel if they hate it?
Everybody has their own way of doing things. I personally would not nor have I ever rode one with their neck bent. I think their head and neck need to be out in front of them not cocked to the side. So yes if your horse doesn't like it you don't have to do it. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | hammer_time - 2014-06-06 12:19 AM
I think I naturally pattern one in the fishhook or "d" style. I also think that Stingray kind of runs in that style. I just like them lined up for the next barrel when they are coming out. When you are making perfect circles, they seem to bow out on the outside. That's what it seems like to me.
I agree with this, when I'm finishing my turn on one barrel I want to be directly lined up for my next barrel. I see so many people not finish their turns an it costs them so much time running way outside of the barrels. You can't run like that on a turny horse, that's why most dive in and shoulder. This is why it's important to ride two handed in between barrels. If mine start to fade out I use a little outside rein to keep them in their line, but this is just how I train mine. |
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Location: texas | bumping this up, I am enjoying reading all the info..... |
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| svincent - 2014-06-02 7:23 PM
I'm a little confused, but will try to answer. Maybe post a video or drawn-picture of what you are talking about?
I have what I would consider to be a roll-back style horse. He is also VERY ratey. I stay two-handed until HIS hip is past the barrel and DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE all the way into it. The MOMENT I go to the horn and cue for a turn, it is like he inhales the barrel and BOOM you are already facing the other direction.
I love him, he's my trusty man, honest as the day is long - but he's not EASY by any means. You have to RIDE him the whole time, or you're going to be dragging barrels down. Drop to the horn too soon? Hit the barrel. Stop kicking before his hip gets past? Hit the barrel. Try to shape him in the pocket at all? Hit the barrel.
He is very "point-and-kick", he knows his job, but just sometimes works too hard at it and isn't very forgiving to rider error. If you don't stay focused and make sure to drive him past, he will snap over the top of the barrel pretty much.
I don't know if this answers your question...
My horse sounds a lot like yours and I have some questions about what works for you. Do you shape him before you get to the barrel? Shaping while driving him in? Or do you just drive him in, sit and turn? I had been driving my mare into the turn without doing much with my hands at all. She was turning fine but coming off the first wide. I think it's because I am a little behind her coming out of the turn. But my trainer is trying to have me shape her coming in while trying to drive her in, and around the turn and get forward ahead of her coming out of the turn and I just can't seem to make it happen and our times have slowed down quite a bit from when I was just driving her in. So I am not sure if I should go back to what I was doing or keep trying what she wants me to and hope it comes together and we are even faster. |
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Location: South Dakota | wishes4kissez - 2015-12-03 11:50 AM svincent - 2014-06-02 7:23 PM I'm a little confused, but will try to answer. Maybe post a video or drawn-picture of what you are talking about? I have what I would consider to be a roll-back style horse. He is also VERY ratey. I stay two-handed until HIS hip is past the barrel and DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE all the way into it. The MOMENT I go to the horn and cue for a turn, it is like he inhales the barrel and BOOM you are already facing the other direction. I love him, he's my trusty man, honest as the day is long - but he's not EASY by any means. You have to RIDE him the whole time, or you're going to be dragging barrels down. Drop to the horn too soon? Hit the barrel. Stop kicking before his hip gets past? Hit the barrel. Try to shape him in the pocket at all? Hit the barrel. He is very "point-and-kick", he knows his job, but just sometimes works too hard at it and isn't very forgiving to rider error. If you don't stay focused and make sure to drive him past, he will snap over the top of the barrel pretty much. I don't know if this answers your question... My horse sounds a lot like yours and I have some questions about what works for you. Do you shape him before you get to the barrel? Shaping while driving him in? Or do you just drive him in, sit and turn? I had been driving my mare into the turn without doing much with my hands at all. She was turning fine but coming off the first wide. I think it's because I am a little behind her coming out of the turn. But my trainer is trying to have me shape her coming in while trying to drive her in, and around the turn and get forward ahead of her coming out of the turn and I just can't seem to make it happen and our times have slowed down quite a bit from when I was just driving her in. So I am not sure if I should go back to what I was doing or keep trying what she wants me to and hope it comes together and we are even faster.
Maybe work on shaping her a little in your slow work, and teach her to square up leaving the barrel... but in the run, I'd give her a little more room going in, and stay off her head....ride her to your turn point...seems like you had a good thing going, just needed a little refinement... |
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| ridejg - 2015-12-03 11:14 AM
wishes4kissez - 2015-12-03 11:50 AM svincent - 2014-06-02 7:23 PM I'm a little confused, but will try to answer. Maybe post a video or drawn-picture of what you are talking about? I have what I would consider to be a roll-back style horse. He is also VERY ratey. I stay two-handed until HIS hip is past the barrel and DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE all the way into it. The MOMENT I go to the horn and cue for a turn, it is like he inhales the barrel and BOOM you are already facing the other direction. I love him, he's my trusty man, honest as the day is long - but he's not EASY by any means. You have to RIDE him the whole time, or you're going to be dragging barrels down. Drop to the horn too soon? Hit the barrel. Stop kicking before his hip gets past? Hit the barrel. Try to shape him in the pocket at all? Hit the barrel. He is very "point-and-kick", he knows his job, but just sometimes works too hard at it and isn't very forgiving to rider error. If you don't stay focused and make sure to drive him past, he will snap over the top of the barrel pretty much. I don't know if this answers your question... My horse sounds a lot like yours and I have some questions about what works for you. Do you shape him before you get to the barrel? Shaping while driving him in? Or do you just drive him in, sit and turn? I had been driving my mare into the turn without doing much with my hands at all. She was turning fine but coming off the first wide. I think it's because I am a little behind her coming out of the turn. But my trainer is trying to have me shape her coming in while trying to drive her in, and around the turn and get forward ahead of her coming out of the turn and I just can't seem to make it happen and our times have slowed down quite a bit from when I was just driving her in. So I am not sure if I should go back to what I was doing or keep trying what she wants me to and hope it comes together and we are even faster.
Thanks that's kind of what I was thinking. I saw the video of Sherri cervi doing slow work with Stingray in the Thomas and Mac and that really got me thinking. I tried to do what she was doing I think more like a teardrop shape really getting the horse past the barrel and really bending then finishing really nice and straight. My mare was really stiff and trying to drop into my leg at first but after a time or too she was way softer actually listening not on auto pilot and finishing nicer but not quite where I want to be yet. |
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