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| I thought it would be very interesting to see what your horses who have scooped or you know for sure had/have ulcers. look like. Most people think its only your poor hard keeper types but I recently had a slick shiny 3 yr old who had a low energy level scooped and guess what showed up...ulcers! We were completely shocked. I'm curious if others out there have horses in decent looking flesh/health that also have ulcers.
At the local show this past Saturday I had a conversation with another lady who swore up and down that it was not possible for her horse with gate issues, cinch issues, teeth grinding, cold backed, and hateful but used to be sweet gelding could possibly have ulcers because he was not poor. She went on to further state that he ate his hay before his grain and had a couple mild "colic" episodes recently. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | My boy was super healthy and was diagnosed. I noticed his energy was down and I had him looked at by the vet. Sure enough, Ulcers. I was told to feed alfalfa and a certain diet. after his condition worsened (Poor body Condition etc.) I found out he was alergic to alfalfa. The vet said it was common? Any way, he's healthy now, slick and shiny, and on the road to recovery with his ulcers. A slick and shiny one can have them too no horse is immune!
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Location: Deep South | I don't have any pics with me at work, but could grab some tonight. Just finishing up treatment on my 3 yo for ulcers who was fat as a butterball, slick and shiny, pretty as can be. Would clean up her feed and anything any of the other horses left behind too.
I treated her because she was extremely nervous and anxious under saddle, even though that is not her normal personality whatsoever. Gradually she became very sensitive on her sides, to the point where I could apply a light amount of pressure with the palm of my hand and she would pin her ears and reach around toward me like she wanted to nip at me.
One of our BB's recently shared this video that shows a DMV diagnosing ulcers in horses without scoping. I thought it was super informative and spot on with my case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iusu1f2_HQ&list=UUR0ztdJr7WIRV-6541... | |
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| Mine just looked sick in his overall appearance, he had lack of interest, a tender belly and his coat looked dull and not shiny like normal. He stood off by himself and I called the vet out. She diagnosed him without scoping because he had many signs and he wasn't putting on weight. Within a week of being on ulcer meds i had a completely different horse in front of me. But he wasn't the typical ulcer type horse, he never refused the gate, he never got hot he never bucked and he had always been touchy on the sides even from a colt so it wasn't unlike him to be like that. The only reason found out that he had them was because likes I said he just looked sick. | |
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Location: Magnolia, Texas | MIne was slick, good weight, ran good but started getting touchy on the sides and kept colicing. I had her scoped and the left side of her stomach was ulcerated. Treated her with Gastrogard for the recommended amount of time, then for several years put her on NeighLox as a preventative. When I retired her from running, I quit the NeighLox and started top dressing her feed with 60cc's of Aloe Vera juice (at vet's recommendation). She (knock on wood) hasn't had any issues since. | |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | I don't have any pictures, but I treated my mare for ulcers when I first got her. She's Appendix (all TB on top, all racing QH on bottom), so when you just looked at her she just looked fit and racey. The thing was though, she had been turned out on pasture for a year...she should have at least been a little fat. She wasn't skinny, but she had no extra weight on her at all, and all of her muscles were extremely tight and she just seemed kind of crabby. Her coat was in good condition, she had decent weight over her topline, so just to look at her she really just looked like what most people think a race-bred horse looks like. But she didn't really want to eat. She would only eat a certain amount of grain and it took her a long time to eat her hay.
After treatment she eats everything you put in front of her and people can't believe how BIG she's gotten (and she's 14...was 12 when I got her). She looks more like a QH now.
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Location: NE Texas | I have a colt i'm about to start treating and hoping this is what the majority of my problems are coming from. He's 4 and we have just started hauling him to exhibition. He's a feel good horse, always has been, runs and bucks in the pasture, but has gotten progressively worse to ride. At first I was thinking boredom, but then he started doing some things that made me think pain. We've now been to two different vets, chiro'd, and this ulcer treatment is my last resort before he goes to boot camp elsewhere. He is very much a slow eater and a picky eater and has always been touchy on his sides to an extent. To ride he has gotten progressively non interested and overall crabby even though I ride him alot less than my other youngsters or outside horses because he is a prodigy and was loping a handy set after 45 days. So i'm hoping this ulcer treatment fixes the problems i'm having and that I can go on seasoning this colt and enjoy him again! | |
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| My gelding had more attitude problems than appearance. Although, as I have been hauling more he started looking more racey and more like a Thoroughbred than QH. I posted on here about some back soreness and overall well being questions and ulcers came up.
Instead of scoping I decided to go ahead and try Ulcercure OTC. I just finished week 2 and I couldn't be happier. Took him to a race this past weekend and no swishy tail or grumpy attitude at all when warming up. He finished his turns significantly tighter and overall just seems happier.
There isn't a huge difference in the 2 week span, but overall you can see he has filled out more. Yippee he is starting to actually grow into those long legs!
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| WE just started treating the mare I race for ulcers at our vets recommendation. She is a huge halter horse, but her coat is worse than last year, she's so cinchy she will attack the closest person, and she has a lack of appetite, plus her lack of energy in the barrel pen. Hopefully that gets her back to the nice mare we had before, and we can start winning checks again. | |
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Location: Kansas | I bought a mare that Rutland had on consignment in Dec. 2011. After about 3 days she was a different horse than what I had thought I bought. So I put her up in a pen by herself and started working with her. She started cribbing (windsucking) and started dropping weight. Couldn't get her to put weight on no matter what. After I started reading on here about ulcers, I thought I would try treating her like she had them and see what would happen. She finally started putting on weight, coat got shiney, and she about stopped cribbing all together as long as I kept her on Ulc-R-Aid by Animeds. Will post pics.
1st is the day I brought her home Dec 2011
2nd is the day I brought her back from the trainer March 2013
3rd is about 60 days on the Ulc-R-Aid and Amplify May 2013
4th is this June after she had her foal. 2014
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | My mare is fat and happy and she came up with ulcers. I didn't have her scoped but she was sensitive at all the pressure points. Dull coat, a little top line loss (maybe 50 lbs), cold backed, started getting gate issues, and wasn't finishing her grain at all, plus poor work ethic and crappy attitude in general. Just finished last night with U gard and have started her on a feed through to keep a healthy gut. And all the while I was getting compliments about how well she looked because she was getting good muscle tone finally. After doing my homework a little, I don't think that they need to look like they're malnourished to have ulcers. JMO | |
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| I have scope images to confirm the ulcers.
www.photobucket.com/ulcers
My mare looked pretty rough when she had ulcers, but didn't lose much weight, some, but she is an "air fern" anyways so at the time, not knowing any better, I was okay with some weight loss. In the winter, extremely ROUGH hair coat, and VERY agitated. Picky about feed, anxious, didn't drink much.
Attached pic of her inside was May 2011, before I even realized that she may have ulcers.
We scoped in January 2012, so 8 months after the attached photo.
But in the summer, slick coat, nice and shiny, appetite, drank water after each meal (vitamin/mineral sup, and 24/7 grass pasture).
Pic of her outside on grass is from a few weeks ago, after having her ulcers treated back in 2012, and taking steps to prevent recurring ulcers.
My vet at the time, in January 2012, told me that he didn't think it was ulcers because she didn't get skinny.
What she did have was the perfect history to contribute to ulcers: trailering regularly without a preventative (because I didn't know any better), and in the winter, I would give them hay and they would eat it, and stand around on an empty stomach the rest of the day until the PM feeding.
Her symptoms were there: dull lifeless hair coat, it didn't shed out well in the spring (we checked for Cushings and that was negative), some weight loss, picky eater, decrease in water intake, EXTREMELY agitated to work with.
But, in the summer, the only thing that remained was the attitude. She was always fat, shiny, and ate and drank normally in the summer. In fact, following the first pic of May 2011, that summer she also went back to fat and shiny and ate and drank normally. But then around December/January again, back downhill.
So, she looked and acted "normal" the summer prior to those scope images. Obviously, her stomach was not normal.
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| astreakinchic - 2014-07-15 12:24 PM
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At the local show this past Saturday I had a conversation with another lady who swore up and down that it was not possible for her horse with gate issues, cinch issues, teeth grinding, cold backed, and hateful but used to be sweet gelding could possibly have ulcers because he was not poor. She went on to further state that he ate his hay before his grain and had a couple mild "colic" episodes recently.
^^^ These people make me want to scream at them.
The horse shows EVERY symptoms but they refuse to listen to the horse.
It's one thing to honestly not know about ulcers; I had never heard of them before, and when I started educating myself, I realized "OMG! My mare fits the bill!" and sure enough! But then I treated her!
But to have people make the suggestion and then blatantly turn a blind eye is so frustrating. | |
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| Jenet - 2014-07-15 3:08 PM
My gelding had more attitude problems than appearance. Although, as I have been hauling more he started looking more racey and more like a Thoroughbred than QH. I posted on here about some back soreness and overall well being questions and ulcers came up.
Instead of scoping I decided to go ahead and try Ulcercure OTC. I just finished week 2 and I couldn't be happier. Took him to a race this past weekend and no swishy tail or grumpy attitude at all when warming up. He finished his turns significantly tighter and overall just seems happier.
There isn't a huge difference in the 2 week span, but overall you can see he has filled out more. Yippee he is starting to actually grow into those long legs!
I can see a pretty good difference in muslce quality on him. Thanks for sharing! | |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Mine seemed to colic, but it was different in a way. Took her in and had her scoped to find she had ulcers. She never got raggedy or poor in body condition. I treated her with gastroguard and have her on THE now. Her ulcer episode was about a year and 1/2 ago. She was miserable...poor thing.
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