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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM
komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
 They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.Â
ALL Â hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.Â
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.Â
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).Â
 ....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment. Â
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.htmlPersonally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one
Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!!
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html
Do you still wanna talk about numbers???
Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-08-02 2:30 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.
ALL hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).
....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment.
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
Personally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!! http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html Do you still wanna talk about numbers??? Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
Yes, the chart I posted includes the current strain as well as others. The current outbreak is at the bottom. (Where they admit the numbers are unknown).
Ebola Reston was referenced as a non pathogenic mutated strain, not what they are dealing with now.
In terms of diagnosis, microscopic examination is not really used. Elisa testing and pcr are the usual methods.
Anywho, I'm off to the rest of my weekend adventures. Happy Saturday! | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:55 PM
komet. - 2014-08-02 2:30 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 2:16 PM komet. - 2014-08-02 2:03 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-02 6:14 AM komet. - 2014-08-01 7:54 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-01 7:07 PM komet. - 2014-08-01 3:05 PM Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
 They know how to handle it in a test tube or under a microscope... and this is like level 4 or level 5 stuff.. But a case of this has never been treated anywhere in this country before. There has never been anybody infected with this here before. As far as the CDC being the gold standard, perhaps the people here have not heard of several lapses they have made in just the last several months. Investigators found that scientists had transported dangerous biological materials in Ziploc bags and once sent a live sample of bird flu to a low-security lab ill-equipped to handle the virus. Then there was the anthrax that was sent to CDC headquarters offices without being deactivated by the lab. I have my doubts about this plan to bring this monster here in a living host.
n work with the doctors.Â
ALL Â hospitals train staff extensively in isolation procedures, even for such scenarios as massive outbreaks. I have no doubt this specialized hospital will be able to treat these people without causing an outbreak.Â
Tb is much more contagious, and our hospitals handle several cases a year without compromising public safety.Â
Btw these "experts" you speak of have no resources or money in west African hospitals. If you look at cdc reports or who reports on Ebola, they note that the African hospitals actually spread the disease further during past outbreaks due to reusing syringes and needles (because they are poor and lacking in supplies).Â
 ....and yet they have Still lowered the mortality rate of this outbreak almost 30%. If these people have to come here I'd rather see them go to USAMRIID where at least we could count on military precision when it comes to attention to detail.
Btw, the mortality rates vary but outbreak. The data I've seen shows rates from 100% to 20-30% for different outbreaks. This was via a cdc or who organization report (I don't remember which) Look at it like this: An outbreak can be 3 people come down with it in one place at the same time... Two of them live.... That is a 30% mortality rate... It's against the odds.. just like Mine That Bird.. but it happens....
The rate of mutation in Ebola is pretty low, and if the virus were to mutate to become airbourne, it loses its ability to cause disease (Ebola Reston). I'm not saying mutation is impossible, but at this stage of the game it is pretty unlikely to happen from two people who are present in airlocks at this moment. Â
Personally, I would have a much greater fear of Influenza, a virus that kills thousands per year... yet folks are pretty blase about it.
Here is a link to mortality rates from the various outbreaks in other nations.
For you to make the claim that organizations in Africa "brought the mortality rate down from 90% to 60%", well, that is simply not correct if you look at the data, which can be found here (I tried to C&P the chart, but no dice):
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/outbreak-table.html
Personally, I got 99 problems but worrying about Ebola ain't one Well... that's a nice chart... BUT I notice it does not contain the strain we are talking about here... Ebola Zaire... This link to the CDC who will freely admit that the numbers are only what they KNOW about and they understand there are a lot more they never hear about... Folks.. Meet what they are bringing to our country, Ebola Zaire!! http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/resources/distribution-map.html Do you still wanna talk about numbers??? Oh and the Reston strain?? While 3 people finally tested positive, none of them ever got sick... It was fatal only to the monkeys that came here with it.. You should look at it under a microscope... It has a few of the same loops... but is clearly not the same 'Shepherd's Hook' you see in Hemorrhagic Fever.
Ebola Reston was referenced as a non pathogenic mutated strain, not what they are dealing with now.Â
In terms of diagnosis, microscopic examination is not really used. Elisa testing and pcr are the usual methods.Â
Anywho, I'm off to the rest of my weekend adventures. Happy Saturday!
Yes.. I am aware of the quick tests for ebola... but they still do a MS check for the strain.. Have a good weekend!!  | |
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Location: WYOMING | Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.Â
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: Georgia | geronabean - 2014-08-02 4:16 PM Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...
http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/
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Location: SE Louisiana | GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
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Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
That's a little harsh.... This IS a Virus.... and the number of viruses we can cure totals up to ZERO... | |
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Location: PNW | geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM
Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.Â
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
Totally AGREE!!! Everyone just needs to take a deep breath and calm down.
PS: it is totally safe to take that recommended deep breath, since ya know, Ebola isn't airborne. 
I'll get worried about it when my aunt does - who is an actual viral pathologist with a Ph.D. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM
Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.Â
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
I read Hot Zone... and Outbreak by Robin Cook and Executive Orders by Tom Clancy.. and The Stand by Stephen King. then I went looking to separate fact from fiction... I don't claim to be an expert but I have a basic understanding.. | |
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Location: Midwest | This is a pretty informative article from a decent website. Feel free to check it out. Figured I would throw it up here since I had a minute.
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/ten-things-you-really-should-know-about-ebola | |
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| GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
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Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
Then I have to ask since this was their choice
For all the non immunizers who contract measles, mumps, chicken pox, pertussis, should health care be refused and these infected children die because it was their families choice no to immunize.
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| geronabean - 2014-08-02 3:16 PM Im not an Ebola expert... I just play one on TV... no I dont even play one on TV but I did read the book Hot Zone so that kinda makes me an expert.
These are wonderful giving people who care enough about others to go into a hot zone and try to help even knowing the risks. We need more people like them in this world.. so I welcome them home and hope they get the best chance they can have.
IMO your chances of getting killed by a non caring, non giving, non wonderful, non ebola having person or even dying from cancer is much greater than catching Ebola spread from these people.
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-02 8:08 PM
GoGaited - 2014-08-02 3:26 PM
Vickie - 2014-08-01 2:04 PM The Center for Disease Control is in Atlanta. They know how to handle the situtation. To leave them in Africa to die like one doctor already has would be criminally cruel.
Â
Sure, the cdc is always right on top of things. We can trust them with this too, right? Those people chose to go over there and play in the slime, let them live or die there. There is NO treatment, there is NO reason to deliberately bring this plague here. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/cdc-lost-anthrax-ziplo...http://www.listenedition.com/2014/07/23/cdc-loses-track-of-contagious-viruses-increases-focus-on-lab-safety/ Walking Dead is becoming a documentary.
Then I have to ask since this was their choice
For all the non immunizers who contract measles, mumps, chicken pox, pertussis, should health care be refused and these infected children die because it was their families choice no to immunize.
Same thing
Not that I agree with what she said.. but there are a number of differences here. For one thing it is not the child that chooses. For another, we already Have all that stuff here while we didn't have ebola here till today except in laboratory specimens and animals they have infected so they could study it.
Currant numbers..
The World Health Organization reports that the outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea is believed to have infected 1,323 people and killed more than 729 this year, as of July 27.
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