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| LRQHS - 2014-10-31 8:10 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-31 8:05 AM barrelracr131 - 2014-10-31 7:58 AM What bit does he run in?
Some tend to stop better with a combo or hack, but will run through just a bit.
Also, if this was an only "sometimes" problem for her, check hocks and stifles... sometimes if they are in pain, stopping hard hurts them and they become fearful of the stop.
You can also practice circling at the end of your run instead of running flat out, or training him to run out and then circle to slow down. I run at a lot of closed gate arenas, and so I circle as I'm at the arena fence. At an alley setup we run out and circle to stop in the holding pen or as we make it out of the chute. That's another problem. I have no idea what bit he runs in. I have it, but I don't know what it is. It does have a nose band on it lol. I think a lot of the problem is that my sister didn't do the practice and slow work like she should have and that if I do these things with him, he will pick up what I want quickly. Also, I need to teach him a slower pace, so we will be walking a lot at first. My goal is just to get to a point where we can trot a good pattern and stop lol. I, also, have no desire to break any records. I just want to ride and get us both back in shape.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-10-31 8:47 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-10-31 8:45 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-31 7:54 AM astreakinchic - 2014-10-31 7:47 AM Be lighter with your hands and rougher with your feet. Get split reins or a very long rein until you feel comfortable in split reins. At a walk ask him to stop by just holding pressure with your reins then correct him to back with your feet when he does not. You may need spurs if the horse is dead sided. Progress through this with the trot and lope. Each time asking lighter and lighter with hands. Ride with your finger tips and absolutely no jerking with your hands. Remember your hands ask then your feet correct when he does not do what you ask. Warning this well make your horse very light and very broke and some people have a very hard time ridding a very broke horse. If you needed spurs at the walk each time you haft to ask him to back with your feet try to get lighter and lighter. Always think about your hands. Do not be holding pressure in his mouth when you do not need to be holding. Trust and teach them to stand still when they are not working...pitch the reins away. When you go to make a run they will be lighter. Don't go jerking it will hurt all the work you've done. Ok. So, to correct him to back with my feet. How does he know that I want him to back? Normally, I give him small tugs with the reins, repeatively until he backs and he does that well. So, where would I place my feet to cue him that it's back up time?
Thanks for the info. I totally understand what you're saying and have something to work on. I appreciate it.
Another thought, when you ask for the stop, do you just passively ask with your reins or are you rolling your pelvis, sitting on your pockets, and asking with your hands all at the same time? Things to think about! 
Ask with your seat and legs moreso than your hands (really for all things)
Also have you ridden this horse yet???? You need to let us know how he's riding now.
Ok, that makes a lot of sense to me.
No, I haven't ridden him recently. I have ridden him before and he does well out of the arena with stopping. It's after a run that he goes the distance. I am going to bring him to my place on Saturday and just get on him and walk.... a lot.....see where we are. He hasn't been ridden in a couple of years and is wasting in the pasture. He's a great horse and he's at my disposal, I just need to cowgirl up and get us in shape. It's now or never.... | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | LRQHS - 2014-10-31 8:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-31 8:12 AM I had one that would hit another gear at the gate and break land-speed records coming out of the alley. Pulling on his head would make him go faster--I had to pick up lightly on the reins, sit down, and let him coast down. I'm mostly scared that I will run over someone.
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-31 9:37 AM LRQHS - 2014-10-31 8:21 AM Three 4 Luck - 2014-10-31 8:12 AM I had one that would hit another gear at the gate and break land-speed records coming out of the alley. Pulling on his head would make him go faster--I had to pick up lightly on the reins, sit down, and let him coast down. I'm mostly scared that I will run over someone.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Have not read all the posts on here, but use your voice, when I am stopping my horses I'm telling them to with Whoa also, so everytime you stop use your voice if it's just walking troting and you are getting ready to stop pick up the reins and tell them to WHoa, I use my voice all the time, I like talking to them..  | |
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First of all, I love your avatar! and, secondly, when he's running like a bat out of hell, whoa is not effective. In fact, no words, even the 4 letter ones, are effective. Try again lol. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LRQHS - 2014-10-31 11:09 AM First of all, I love your avatar! and, secondly, when he's running like a bat out of hell, whoa is not effective. In fact, no words, even the 4 letter ones, are effective. Try again lol.
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| LRQHS - 2014-10-31 11:09 AM
First of all, I love your avatar! and, secondly, when he's running like a bat out of hell, whoa is not effective. In fact, no words, even the 4 letter ones, are effective. Try again lol.
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Location: on my horse | First off... I'M SOOOO EXCITED FOR YOU!! This is awesome opportunity and you rock for making it happen. Second I would suggest watching a ton of videos of reiners. Reining runs, reiners training their horses, reiners doing reining things on youtube, reiners riding reining colts, etc.
That body position from your horse and you is what you want when you stop no matter how fast you're going. Reiners obviously sit down and slide and we don't but it's still a good practice to be soft with your hands soft with your body and really sit down and cue with your body to stop. Say whoa, he may not listen now but if you do it long enough I guarantee that word will eventually mean something to him.
When your'e walking around on him practice excellent body position and light hands, when you're walking ask him to stop and use as little hands as possible and feel what he feels like and what he's comfortable with. Then try walking him toward a fence or something solid and keep him pointed at it until he basically stops himself, see how his body feels when he does that, does his back feel like it's up underneath you? Or does his head come up and his back feel like it's hollowed out beneath you? If he feels nice and round that's awesome, if he feels all hollow then you have something to work on.
Wiggle your hands and see if he gives to bit pressure and lowers his head, if not then that is something you can work on that will help you with brakes too. Horse gives to pressure, head goes down(ish) back comes up, horse's body is round and more collected = better stop and softer horse. Work on walking little perfect circles, it's a lot harder than it looks! This will help get some flexibility through his body and help him bring his hind leg up under himself and really supple that hip. Sounds counter intuitive but it will actually help give you tools for a better stop.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | redmansmyman11 - 2014-10-31 1:57 PM First off... I'M SOOOO EXCITED FOR YOU!! This is awesome opportunity and you rock for making it happen. Second I would suggest watching a ton of videos of reiners. Reining runs, reiners training their horses, reiners doing reining things on youtube, reiners riding reining colts, etc. That body position from your horse and you is what you want when you stop no matter how fast you're going. Reiners obviously sit down and slide and we don't but it's still a good practice to be soft with your hands soft with your body and really sit down and cue with your body to stop. Say whoa, he may not listen now but if you do it long enough I guarantee that word will eventually mean something to him. When your'e walking around on him practice excellent body position and light hands, when you're walking ask him to stop and use as little hands as possible and feel what he feels like and what he's comfortable with. Then try walking him toward a fence or something solid and keep him pointed at it until he basically stops himself, see how his body feels when he does that, does his back feel like it's up underneath you? Or does his head come up and his back feel like it's hollowed out beneath you? If he feels nice and round that's awesome, if he feels all hollow then you have something to work on. Wiggle your hands and see if he gives to bit pressure and lowers his head, if not then that is something you can work on that will help you with brakes too. Horse gives to pressure, head goes down (ish ) back comes up, horse's body is round and more collected = better stop and softer horse. Work on walking little perfect circles, it's a lot harder than it looks! This will help get some flexibility through his body and help him bring his hind leg up under himself and really supple that hip. Sounds counter intuitive but it will actually help give you tools for a better stop. GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN! Sorry for writing you a book my inner reiner came out a little too much lol
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Location: on my horse | LRQHS - 2014-10-31 1:14 PM
redmansmyman11 - 2014-10-31 1:57 PM First off... I'M SOOOO EXCITED FOR YOU!! This is awesome opportunity and you rock for making it happen. Second I would suggest watching a ton of videos of reiners. Reining runs, reiners training their horses, reiners doing reining things on youtube, reiners riding reining colts, etc. That body position from your horse and you is what you want when you stop no matter how fast you're going. Reiners obviously sit down and slide and we don't but it's still a good practice to be soft with your hands soft with your body and really sit down and cue with your body to stop. Say whoa, he may not listen now but if you do it long enough I guarantee that word will eventually mean something to him. When your'e walking around on him practice excellent body position and light hands, when you're walking ask him to stop and use as little hands as possible and feel what he feels like and what he's comfortable with. Then try walking him toward a fence or something solid and keep him pointed at it until he basically stops himself, see how his body feels when he does that, does his back feel like it's up underneath you? Or does his head come up and his back feel like it's hollowed out beneath you? If he feels nice and round that's awesome, if he feels all hollow then you have something to work on. Wiggle your hands and see if he gives to bit pressure and lowers his head, if not then that is something you can work on that will help you with brakes too. Horse gives to pressure, head goes down (ish ) back comes up, horse's body is round and more collected = better stop and softer horse. Work on walking little perfect circles, it's a lot harder than it looks! This will help get some flexibility through his body and help him bring his hind leg up under himself and really supple that hip. Sounds counter intuitive but it will actually help give you tools for a better stop. GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN! Sorry for writing you a book my inner reiner came out a little too much lol
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Location: NE Texas | I'm thinking twisted wire tied down or bonnet combined with a mule bit......that ought to do the trick. Now....before anyone jumps down my throat thinking i'm being serious, I'M NOT! However I did have a horse with this same problem that came to me with that exact get up. I ran him with a long shanked Ed Wright and got along just fine. Had another that had some stopping issues and ran him in a ported Petska.
LRQHS....go get the horse and then come see me......we'll get ya fixed up! I have literally thousands of bits. I would definitely encourage you to get his teeth done first and foremost before you get to riding him very much. THEN come see me! | |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Herbie - 2014-10-31 2:56 PM I'm thinking twisted wire tied down or bonnet combined with a mule bit......that ought to do the trick. Now....before anyone jumps down my throat thinking i'm being serious, I'M NOT! However I did have a horse with this same problem that came to me with that exact get up. I ran him with a long shanked Ed Wright and got along just fine. Had another that had some stopping issues and ran him in a ported Petska.
LRQHS....go get the horse and then come see me......we'll get ya fixed up! I have literally thousands of bits. I would definitely encourage you to get his teeth done first and foremost before you get to riding him very much. THEN come see me!
You must think I got me an equine dentist out here in the bayou......we may have to make a visit/toof fixin/cat dumpin party with Sherri and Cori...... | |
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| Not an easy fix, our horse will stop so fast at home and in the warm up pen you almost get pitched over the saddle if youre not ready for it, even in a closed pen he is 100% safe but let him run out of a pen and its pure nuttyness.
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