ld3 - 2014-11-14 8:41 AM

From what I understand the First guy (point man) is the one that should get all the credit. He spoke Arabic and killed Osama's brother and then shot at Osama - this is what both Matt Bissonnette and the O'Neil guy said.

Matt Bissonnette's version: When he walked in the room Osama was on the floor (probably from the point man's shot up the stairs) and two women were standing over him. The point man then grabbed both women, took them away and jumped on them bc they thought they had suicide vests. Then Matt and another guy shot Obama some more.

O'Neills story: Osama was standing behind a women, then the pointman took two women away and jumped on them. Then he shot Osama in the head while he was standing behind his wife. Don't you think that if this happened, the wife would've gone crazy and he would've mentioned this? He never mentioned her again, he just said he stood over Osama.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe O'Neills story. I believe Bissonnett's...he was shot before Bissonnette/O'Neill got into the room and then those guys finished him off. I respect the point man. HE did the work, AND kept the SEAL honor code, and truly left it to a TEAM being responsible by not trying to get additional attention towards himself.

Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-14 9:01 AM

I once knew a Navajo Code talker from WWII.  When he was in the army, they were told never to talk about their mission.  Even, after it was declassified, he would not talk about it because he was told not to talk about it.

HotbearLVR - 2014-11-14 12:58 PM I don't have the impression that O'Neil is all that consumed with getting any credit for shooting UBL. We all have a certain ability to sense when someone is giving us a line of BS....especially horse people. We can often pick up when someone is lying. I honestly didn't get a sense that O'Neil was lying when he was interviewed both by Doocy and O'Reilly. Over and over again, O'Neil emphasized that it wasn't important that he be given the credit for firing the actual shots. He admits it was sheer luck of the draw that put him in the right place at the right time and it could have just as well been any member of the team. O'Neil didn't write a book to try to "cash in" on the raid, but Bissonette did and he is involved in an $8 million lawsuit as plaintiff. O'Neil said "I didn't kill UBL.....even the team didn't kill UBL.....AMERICA killed UBL". That's how he said he looked at it. I saw the film clips of him meeting family members of 9-11 victims, and I can easily see how he was so moved by that experience that he decided to tell his story. I think it's a pretty uplifting story about an everyday kid who grew up hunting and fishing in Montana and eventually became a Navy Seal. I enjoyed hearing how when the seals were going through hell during training and someone decided to quit, all they did was lay their helmet down next to the rest who couldn't take it. He was driven to finish his training partly because he couldn't stand the thought of laying his helmet with his dad's name on it next to the others. He looked at it as letting his father down. That was one thing that kept him going. The one consistent thing throughout his story was how this was an ordinary kid who became a man as a Navy Seal, but constantly stressed the brotherhood and the team. He gave credit to everyone but himself. He seemed humble and I appreciated his explanation of why he decided to step away from his career as a Seal. As far as I know he hasn't been paid a dime by Fox News, nor has he written a book, even though I am quite sure he could have been offered a fat book deal, like Bissonette. Now heis back home, and I read where he is going to be a motivational speaker. I think he would be great, and I hope he does well. I would pay to listen to him.

FlyingJT - 2014-11-14 1:44 PM


He can say that all he wants but.... at the end of the day it's his name in the papers, on your tv set, the articles on the internet, NOT his team. Not the other men that risked their lives on that mission. His story of where he came from may be uplifting, and he is more than welcome to share that story but he has no reason to go into detail about what happened that day and boast about how he was the one who killed Bin Laden. All he had to say was that he was apart of the team that went in that day and he was proud to be. I also find it a crock that he gives families peace about 9/11, they knew Bin Laden was dead, i'm sure that was peace enough. He just likes the attention, and maybe he did this because Bissonnette came forward and he couldn't stand it.

HotbearLVR - 2014-11-14 2:40 PM


I wasn't impressed that O'Neil was boasting at all. Bissonette came forward and wrote the book, but to say that O'Neil did what he did because he "couldn't stand it" is conjecture on your part. Bissonette is the one who got a book deal, not O'Neil. O'Neil said he hasn't done that and he won't. Bissonette is the one who stands to make millions in his lawsuit and he is the one under investigation supposedly revealing secrets. As far as I can tell O'Neil isn't.
They are both heroes, in my book, and I think the lesson to be learned here is that if their activities are strictly classified, then an ironclad contract that binds them to secrecy is badly needed. The oath is nice and an honorable thing, but it doesn't seem to have teeth, whereas a contract should. One area where both sides seem to be in agreement is that the people at the top such as Biden and others were definitely out of line, more so than the Seals.
Again, these two men are no different than scores of men who preceeded them as "consultants" and authors, including our Vice President, along with former Special Ops men. Two retired, former members of Seal Team 6 were interviewed last night, I think by Megyn Kelly. They were on opposing sides of this argument, but they both agreed with this. Th also both confessed that some authors of fiction such as Tom Clancy probably disclosed a lot more accurate, sensitive information than anyone. The assumption there is that they somehow were in contact with someone who provided them with this information that enabled Clancy to be so eerily accurate in his writings.
As for the families of 9-11 victims being comforted, that was how it sure looked to me on the video clips. They were moved by his donation of part of his uniform to the 9-11 memorial, as well as his impromptu speech.

wyoming barrel racer - 2014-11-14 5:13 PM

We are now 
1/2 say he should honor the code of Keep Thy Mouth SHUT
1/2 say others in the past have talked so he can too
100% it is true that it is a done deal, he talked not much can be done. Now, what is the latest with Ebola?