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Location: texas | so I have owned my mare for going on 5years now, within last 6 months she had bled out on me a few times, so far in between I really haven't given much thought to it....
I ride in a little s hack at home and run her in a ladybug, I know the ladybug is suppose to be positioned a little lower (1-2") but will that interfere with the Flair Nasal Strip?
Have not used them before and I plan on hauling pretty heavy come the new year, any help is appreciated....
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | what are you doing to control the bleeding as a flair strip is not gonna stop her from bleeding...........every bleed causes more and more scar tissue
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | The nasal strips, correct me if I'm wrong, is to open up their airway for more airflow, hypethetically, to pass throught the horses nasal passages and help them breath easier... What does the flair strip, the hack, and the bleeding have to do with anything? I'm confused I'm sorry. But you're asking for the correct positioning on a hack? Why throw in the bleeding part and flair strips?.... I don't follow... |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | IRunOnFaith - 2014-11-21 8:50 AM The nasal strips, correct me if I'm wrong, is to open up their airway for more airflow, hypethetically, to pass throught the horses nasal passages and help them breath easier... What does the flair strip, the hack, and the bleeding have to do with anything? I'm confused I'm sorry. But you're asking for the correct positioning on a hack? Why throw in the bleeding part and flair strips?.... I don't follow...
i think she is worried about the hack rubbing the flair off and she is wanting to use the flair to help the bleeding............thats my take on it..:)
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Location: texas | I wanted to try to FLAIR before Lasix...
the few times she did bleed, it was so sporadic, didn't think much of it, now that I have read about it more, and that I want to haul her hard this coming year, I wanted to try out the strips...
from what I read the "bleed" is caused from the pressure, the strips hold open the airway passages thus creating less pressure to possible prevent a bleed, that's how I understand it....
so my original post was RE the strips and a hack, will hack rub it off or interfere with the fx of the strip (i.e. holding open the airway passage of the soft tissue)....
like I said I have owned my mare since she was 4yr, which is almost 5 years now, and never has she bled, EXCEPT sporadically this year....
only thing I was thinking was it was hot and dusty and her airway was irritated, allergies if u will......
I just don't wanna jump off and start giving her shots of Lasix if she is not a "true bleeder" bc incidents are so isolated....
is there any "check list" so to speak to determine if u have a "true bleeder"?????? or once they bleed they always bleed???? |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | teamthompson - 2014-11-21 1:15 PM I wanted to try to FLAIR before Lasix... the few times she did bleed, it was so sporadic, didn't think much of it, now that I have read about it more, and that I want to haul her hard this coming year, I wanted to try out the strips... from what I read the "bleed" is caused from the pressure, the strips hold open the airway passages thus creating less pressure to possible prevent a bleed, that's how I understand it.... so my original post was RE the strips and a hack, will hack rub it off or interfere with the fx of the strip (i.e. holding open the airway passage of the soft tissue).... like I said I have owned my mare since she was 4yr, which is almost 5 years now, and never has she bled, EXCEPT sporadically this year.... only thing I was thinking was it was hot and dusty and her airway was irritated, allergies if u will...... I just don't wanna jump off and start giving her shots of Lasix if she is not a "true bleeder" bc incidents are so isolated.... is there any "check list" so to speak to determine if u have a "true bleeder"?????? or once they bleed they always bleed???? FLAIR STRIPS WILL NOT CONTROL A BLEEDER....they can help but YOU MUST have the bleeding under control.....either supplement wise or lasix....get your horse scoped
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Location: The edge of no where | After she bled, did you rest her or put her on antiboitics?
If my horse bled a few times in 6 months, I'd be very seriously concerned. Flair strips are proven to help and lasix isn't the only other solution out there. I don't think your hack will interfer with the flair strip, but I would try to find out what is causing her to bleed and fix it...Especially if you're planning to haul hard. 1-2 week break after one bleeds is not enough time for them to heal up.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | MS2011 - 2014-11-21 1:22 PM After she bled, did you rest her or put her on antiboitics?
If my horse bled a few times in 6 months, I'd be very seriously concerned. Flair strips are proven to help and lasix isn't the only other solution out there. I don't think your hack will interfer with the flair strip, but I would try to find out what is causing her to bleed and fix it...Especially if you're planning to haul hard. 1-2 week break after one bleeds is not enough time for them to heal up.
 
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Location: texas | alright then, thanks ya'll for the info... |
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Location: The edge of no where | teamthompson - 2014-11-20 2:15 PM I wanted to try to FLAIR before Lasix... the few times she did bleed, it was so sporadic, didn't think much of it, now that I have read about it more, and that I want to haul her hard this coming year, I wanted to try out the strips... from what I read the "bleed" is caused from the pressure, the strips hold open the airway passages thus creating less pressure to possible prevent a bleed, that's how I understand it.... so my original post was RE the strips and a hack, will hack rub it off or interfere with the fx of the strip (i.e. holding open the airway passage of the soft tissue).... like I said I have owned my mare since she was 4yr, which is almost 5 years now, and never has she bled, EXCEPT sporadically this year.... only thing I was thinking was it was hot and dusty and her airway was irritated, allergies if u will...... I just don't wanna jump off and start giving her shots of Lasix if she is not a "true bleeder" bc incidents are so isolated.... is there any "check list" so to speak to determine if u have a "true bleeder"?????? or once they bleed they always bleed????
I'd start with scoping after any runs, it needs to be as soon as possible after you run. She is probably not bleeding out every time that she bleeds internally, the scope will help you see what's going on. They can do a BAL culture on her lungs to see if there is anything abnormal going on. Hot/dusty = will make a lot of horses bleed that might not under other conditions. Minimize all dust in her feed, check out supplements that can help. Has anything changed in her diet? Did she maybe has a bit of a respiratory infection? Just tossing thing out to consider having checked out. Every time that they bleed (even when they don't bleed out their nostrils) contributes to the formation of scar tissue in their lungs and makes them more prone to bleed in the future. |
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| teamthompson - 2014-11-20 1:30 PM alright then, thanks ya'll for the info...
I understand what you are asking- yes the hackamore will likely rub off your Flair Strip- you could try shaving the hair from the area you are going to place it so it will stick on better, but even that might not work. Maybe buy one and try it- I tried them with a combo bit with a rope noseband and no matter how I positioned the bit, the Flair always got screwed up- |
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Location: texas | trickster j - 2014-11-20 8:00 PM
teamthompson - 2014-11-20 1:30 PM alright then, thanks ya'll for the info...
I understand what you are asking- yes the hackamore will likely rub off your Flair Strip- you could try shaving the hair from the area you are going to place it so it will stick on better, but even that might not work. Maybe buy one and try it- I tried them with a combo bit with a rope noseband and no matter how I positioned the bit, the Flair always got screwed up-
YES, that's what I was wondering, if my hack would rub on it or not...
and yes, I ordered one to try....
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| teamthompson - 2014-11-21 7:59 AM trickster j - 2014-11-20 8:00 PM teamthompson - 2014-11-20 1:30 PM alright then, thanks ya'll for the info... I understand what you are asking- yes the hackamore will likely rub off your Flair Strip- you could try shaving the hair from the area you are going to place it so it will stick on better, but even that might not work. Maybe buy one and try it- I tried them with a combo bit with a rope noseband and no matter how I positioned the bit, the Flair always got screwed up- YES, that's what I was wondering, if my hack would rub on it or not... and yes, I ordered one to try.... thanks
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Location: The edge of no where | Try looking on youtube to see if Flair has a video of up their new technique to put them on. It's night and day difference in the way those things will stick on a horse. I'd used them before on 1 horse and never had a big issue getting them to stick, then tried them on my filly and couldn't get them to work at all. They were at a show in Waco and showing people their technique to put them on...it's a huge difference!! I really think if you put it on like this guy did, it's not moving under a hack. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | i find the black ones stick better than the white ones....
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| mruggles - 2014-11-20 3:19 PM
teamthompson - 2014-11-21 1:15 PM I wanted to try to FLAIR before Lasix... the few times she did bleed, it was so sporadic, didn't think much of it, now that I have read about it more, and that I want to haul her hard this coming year, I wanted to try out the strips... from what I read the "bleed" is caused from the pressure, the strips hold open the airway passages thus creating less pressure to possible prevent a bleed, that's how I understand it.... so my original post was RE the strips and a hack, will hack rub it off or interfere with the fx of the strip (i.e. holding open the airway passage of the soft tissue).... like I said I have owned my mare since she was 4yr, which is almost 5 years now, and never has she bled, EXCEPT sporadically this year.... only thing I was thinking was it was hot and dusty and her airway was irritated, allergies if u will...... I just don't wanna jump off and start giving her shots of Lasix if she is not a "true bleeder" bc incidents are so isolated.... is there any "check list" so to speak to determine if u have a "true bleeder"?????? or once they bleed they always bleed???? FLAIR STRIPS WILL NOT CONTROL A BLEEDER....they can help but YOU MUST have the bleeding under control.....either supplement wise or lasix....get your horse scoped
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They help them recover and breath easier but they aren't as effective as a supplement or drug. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I've used the strip on horses run in hacks. I use a little hairspray or track glue. Now you will need acetone to remove the track glue. I always wipe down with alcohol and allow the hair to dry before placing. My hack was lower than the strip, yes I like it low I feel as though I have more control of the nose.
Last year at San Angleo the weather turned 50 degree difference. I was riding a colt and the stall situation was slightly dusty. He had a little cough when I took him out into the cold to saddle. I put a strip on him and was NOT going to give lasix as I feared he was not going to drink due to the weather change and I didn't take bags of fluids with me. (Colic is worse in my mind than a bleed I can treat if it occurs.) I had my vet meet me at the house post a 6 hr drive home. I told him the colt coughed twice after the run, NO blood and no crazy behavior post run. He scoped clean, thank God. This colt had bleed on me in July during back to back runs-the humidture was 115. (I shouldn't have run him but you just don't know what they can handle until you try it.) I felt sure he had bled as he was acting up during cool out. He was scoped to confirm this and then we did an ultrasound. NO blebs/lesions to be seen, another thankful moment. I did neb treatments with colloidial silver and gent for 4 days. He got over it quite well. After his break he was running very well> I keep him out of the dusty warmups and go out of my way to try to stall outdoors. Panels and hotwire are his friend.
I ran him on lasix under very hot conditions and when I couldn't avoid the dusty warmups.
I feel really confident that I could run him in strips only in most conditions.
You might want to look into getting a flexi-neb and some albuterol. I prefer that over lasix on heavy hauling horses. Now, if the horse becomes a consistent bleeder lasix is my mainstay. There are many other options to go with the lasix, Kentucky Red works great on some and I've found those that respond to it and it alone. I had a horse run fine on "THE" for awhile. He would fly on it in fact. Bob mixed him a special blend.
I'm riding a mare that has terrible seasonal allergies I'm waiting an order of essential oils to give her neb treatments. This will be a new avenue for me so if anyone has used oils for breathing and allergy issues please sound off.
OP I have a friend training race colts and he's become a believer in the strips in controlling any bleeding epidodes in his dashers, he is using lasix on the stayers. |
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