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| *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose.
If they are winning on it and have the concoction correct...they are not going to share.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 8:26 AM Yes they get blocked b4 they go through the gate. So do some professional athletes. Yes they get bute, banamine, and ketofen, do you not take a Tylenol or ibuprofen? Also I know some men who should be on welfare but they take small doses of stronger pain killers and go to work and feed their families everyday. Some horses just like kids require meds to focus. Would take those meds away from an ADA kid? Horses are property people, owners and trainers can do what they like with them IF they are both on the same page. Make drug testing rules for the futurities you will just have some ppl get more sneaky, just like in the track world. Futurity entry fees are high enough as it is and IF you have enough money to pay off the race producer you can drug all you want while the little man who works for a living and gives their horse some bute gets caught.
Exactly, they banned Winstrol and Equipoise in racing so people just started abusing Clenbuterol. Ban Clenbuterol and you will have a pretty sharp increase in people using Paylean and Zilmax. People that want to dope thier horses will dope thier horses and will find ways of getting around the testing.
We run against trainers that have multiple bad tests all the time. They got caught, so what, they still run and still have plenty of clients who are well aware of the bad tests. Not sure if it is worth the cost of testing in the barrel futurity world because I don't think any of the penalties will affect anyone caught and the cost will hurt the little guy more than anything.
In racing, the rider on a doped horse and the other riders in the race are unaware of what a horse has been given. A compromised horse can injure or kill any other horse or rider on the track so despite its downfalls, testing is needed. Not so sure about the barrel horses since the one riding should be aware of what the horse has been given and they will be the only ones in the arena making a run.
If you don't want to run against possibly drugged horses, then don't enter. I bet the ones winning are using a whole lot less than the ones that aren't winning anyways. Drugs alone can not beat a happy, talented horse that loves his job.
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-10 2:32 PM
*almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose.
they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share.
LOL!!
Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying.
Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding)
Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing.
I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property.
In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 2:09 PM TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-10 2:32 PM *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose. they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share. LOL!! Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying. Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding ) Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing. I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property. In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location ) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away.
You know...that statement may have not been intended the way it sounded to me. At least I hope not. Whether or not you support doping...or testing...I do hope you don't think it's fine for there to be outright abuse/suffering caused to animals...property or not.
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astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 2:09 PM TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-10 2:32 PM *almost there* - 2015-03-09 10:41 PM
I'm curious, what are the drugs and how much is given that people are saying top winners use? I've really only heard of legend, adequan, pentosan, bute and banamine. I'm just really naive I suppose. they wont tell you that because then you might use it and beat them. the ones who have the concoction correct are not going to share. LOL!! Same as the race track honey you can get pig juice if you want and your pockets are deep enough. I know very few with the guts to do this though because futurity horses are extremely costly by the time they get entered and most good ones are not worth the risk of them having adverse effects or dying. Adrenaline, ritalin, and adderall...even vodka. Viagra can be used as well (yupp! but be careful on the boys whether it b stud or gelding ) Jugg with DMSO and they won't feel a thing. I do not condone!! I repeat I do NOT condone. These drugs are the problem drugs BUT I feel like horses are property and people can do with them as they wish. Now if their wishes are unethical it is their cross to bear and I feel like no one has a right to tell them what to do with their property. In my opinion these are the only ones that can be considered abused drugs/practices. Blocking can be abuse to an extent but if you've got 5k tied up in an entry fee (plus the cost of going, staying, paying the rider etc. It can equal up to another 3k in a hurry depending on your location ) and you wanna block for one run i'm not entirely opposed to doing this flame away. You know...that statement may have not been intended the way it sounded to me. At least I hope not. Whether or not you support doping...or testing...I do hope you don't think it's fine for there to be outright abuse/suffering caused to animals...property or not.
Please read the comments right before that sentence :-)
Horse are property.
Your dog is your property too.
If you want to take them and have them put down at the vets you have the right to do that...you actually have the right to shoot them if you wish...they are your property.
I do not condone drugging with the above drugs mentioned nor do I condone someone telling others what to do with their own property 
I wish I hadn't went there with the above its more of a political discussion than a "drug testing issue."
Let me give an example if they started testing : Security would need to be tight because you are running for 100k and more in slot races. The goal is to sale that horse for money after its futurity career. You would need security to ensure no one was around these horses except the authorized people that were approved to handle them. We would need to start getting owners licenses, riders license, and signing in and out of area. I dunno how or even if WPRA is actually testing (I've never heard of anyone having a bad test or consequences of it?) but they aren't many rodeos that are 100k or more a pop. This is big money and pride for owners who have been in the business for years.
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Location: Texas | I know a lot of people think its no big deal to give some bute or banamine or previcox.. I run some on bute or previcox as well. What I don't like, is when people combine NSAIDs (like bute + banamine) or you throw Dex into the mix.. then add a topical like surpass... you can overload their kidneys and cause serious GI ulceration when you either- overdose on an NSAID, or combine NSAIDs.. so for the bute and banamine I AGREE with testing for those not because it's performance enhancing, because I don't think it is, but because of the potential for damage to the animal you are giving it to... I am all for being allowed to give NSAIDs just follow the label dose and don't go giving multiple types of NSAIDs at the same time. |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM
What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is.
Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... |
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Location: Midwest | Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM
Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. |
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Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up... |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 5:07 PM
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Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing...
Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
here is pig juice:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/nitrotain-and-pig-j...
Pig juice and frog juice two different substances Edited by astreakinchic 2015-03-10 4:37 PM
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog.
I spelled dermorphin wrong btw. It's an opioid.
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 4:25 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog.. |
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komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog..
Go read the link to LA QH trainers being banned for using frog juice. It explains what frog juice is:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up...
Dermorphin, believed to be manufactured synthetically by compounding pharmacies, was originally derived from South American tree frogs, thus its nickname frog juice. The drug was rumored to be widely used throughout the Southwest until drug tests were developed to detect it in post-race samples. Positive tests for dermorphin in New Mexico and Oklahoma resulted in suspensions for as long as 20 years. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | astreakinchic - 2015-03-10 5:11 PM
komet. - 2015-03-10 5:46 PM
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komet. - 2015-03-10 4:05 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-03-10 3:57 PM Leo - 2015-03-10 3:53 PM soonergirl98 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM What is Frog juice anyway? I have heard of it but I have no clue what it is. Frog juice is like morphine on top of morphine. Banned from the track. They won't feel a thing... Ummm.. I believe Morphine is an Opiate.... Frog Juice is drawn from the back of a South American tree frog. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermorphin
I must be confused... I always thought by definition, an opiate was a product of the poppy. While Frog Juice.. like I said..comes from a frog..
Go read the link to LA QH trainers being banned for using frog juice. It explains what frog juice is:
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/louisiana-appeals-court-up...
Dermorphin, believed to be manufactured synthetically by compounding pharmacies, was originally derived from South American tree frogs, thus its nickname frog juice. The drug was rumored to be widely used throughout the Southwest until drug tests were developed to detect it in post-race samples. Positive tests for dermorphin in New Mexico and Oklahoma resulted in suspensions for as long as 20 years.
Yes. I remember the trainers getting popped... That was when I looked it up... |
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