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Location: The edge of no where | cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-23 9:27 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-23 4:20 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM Ummmm...I get that roping is difficult. I'd suck at throwing a rope while on a moving animal, but I wouldn't exactly call ropers the best riders...I've seen lots of rope horses that are great at their job, but have tie downs, huge bits, ewe necks, no concept of flexion or softness, and only canter to the left. No thanks. Sounds like your buddy there is just catty and clueless. I'm going to have to politely disagree.....I used to date a team roper.....so I've gone to several "jackpot" ropings. Alot of those riders are once heck of a hand with a horse....it's not all about "big bits, tiedowns, & cantering to the left." Some of those horses were some of the most brokest things I've ever seen, light in the mouths, and were dang good at their jobs. Roping is not easy, I've tried it and looked like a complete idiot...you have to have alot of skill to be able to handle a horse running at full speed, rating a steer and following through with your throw.
Just depends on the level you're watching. I'm sorry, but for someone as novice in the western horse world as you are, you might want to hold back on some of the opinions until you've become a bit more experienced. A tie-down can be a very useful tool (if used properly). Again, a correction bit in the right hands, is NOT severe....to a novice that doesn't understand exactly how it functions, I'm sure it looks awful. A wide leather tie down can help a horse stay balanced while rolling one out in the corner. Until you really understand how the horse is using it's body and what a top rodeo horse works like, don't diss their equipment. I quit team roping a few years ago, and miss it. When I have more time, I'll get back into it again. I have NEVER heard any of the girls I know that rope be remotely that catty, in fact, many of them will also kick your butt in the barrel pen or pretty much doing anything horseback. |
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Location: Arkansas | kickincans - 2015-03-23 8:47 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-23 4:20 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-23 4:04 PM Ummmm...I get that roping is difficult. I'd suck at throwing a rope while on a moving animal, but I wouldn't exactly call ropers the best riders...I've seen lots of rope horses that are great at their job, but have tie downs, huge bits, ewe necks, no concept of flexion or softness, and only canter to the left. No thanks. Sounds like your buddy there is just catty and clueless. [/q I am in both worlds and most of my horses do both, my husband ropes as well and we make all our horses, if they don't make it as a barrel horse then they make it as a rope horse, visa versa... or if neither works they are sold before a lot of time is wasted on them. uote]Running barrels is an easier event for me in a sense because I am relying on MY ability and my horses , team roping you have 2 horses, a steer(with a mind of its own) ,myself and my rope and the other person and their rope(so many factors) In either event if you don't have the ability to ride and sit a horse well and you do not keep your horse in top physical condition you are not going to be competitive. And as far as a tie down, just because a horse has a tie down doesn't mean it's not broke, I have seen lots of barrel horses that would actually perform better with a tie down, and I have seen lots of barrel horses that you couldn't ride on a loose rein if you wanted to. I have also seen lots of rope horses that only know how to run down the pen and turn left. Bottom line...... just because you rope or your run barrels, or you cut or you ride pleasure or you play football or golf or whatever your passion is dosent make you any better than that person that has never swung a leg over a horse, or threw a ball,or won at a pro level or in the 5D we do it because it makes us happy, not for the right to act like we are better than someone else, I put my pants on one leg at a time just like any of them do and being on the back of a horse makes me HAPPY
This!!! And every now and then, you wind up with one that is good at both. It's always fun when a guy asks about my "nice gray head horse" at a roping and learns that said horse is also a barrel horse, lol.
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| I honestly do not think team romper (the bad ones for caddyness that bash barrel racers) can hold a candle to the caddy barrel racer that bashes the no broke one leaded hard mouthed rope horse.
I have warmed up my barrel horse many times and watched my husband rope many times with other barrel racers. Some people would criticize a million dollars if it was given to them. |
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| I tie down is ALMOST a must in the team roping world. In order for the horse to take the hit of that cow, they need something to brace on. have you seen a heel horse work????? they hit so hard against that cow that they plant their butt and raise their head and the tie down braces them. If they didnt have a tie down to brace against... i would say some of them may flip?? this is just my opinon of course. If you want to argue a tie down on a rope horse, then I would say that a head horse could go without one but i would never rope on a heel horse without one. |
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-24 9:22 AM
I tie down is ALMOST a must in the team roping world. In order for the horse to take the hit of that cow, they need something to brace on. have you seen a heel horse work????? they hit so hard against that cow that they plant their butt and raise their head and the tie down braces them. If they didnt have a tie down to brace against... i would say some of them may flip?? this is just my opinon of course. If you want to argue a tie down on a rope horse, then I would say that a head horse could go without one but i would never rope on a heel horse without one.
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Location: North Dakota | opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one.......there is never a time that I go very long without learning something from someone.....good or bad. If everyone had their ears open more and their mouths shut more, it would be harder to tell the idiots from the nice guys. |
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-24 9:22 AM
I tie down is ALMOST a must in the team roping world. In order for the horse to take the hit of that cow, they need something to brace on. have you seen a heel horse work????? they hit so hard against that cow that they plant their butt and raise their head and the tie down braces them. If they didnt have a tie down to brace against... i would say some of them may flip?? this is just my opinon of course. If you want to argue a tie down on a rope horse, then I would say that a head horse could go without one but i would never rope on a heel horse without one.
I think it is more important on a head horse than it is on a heel horse! LOL a heel horse gets down pressure on the front end holding them to the ground. A head horse not only needs the tie down to balance them in the corner, it gives them something to brace against dragging a steer off and to face. I watch the "Roping and Riding with Tyler Magnus" on RFDTV. I record every episode. I really like how much emphasis he puts on horsemanship. He went over the importance of the tie down in the roping pen a couple weeks ago. He said all of his horses can be roped on without one but it makes the difference between a 11,12 or 13 second run and a 5, 6 or 7 second run because of the mechanics of a horses body and balance. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I agree....."Rarely" do you ever see a calf or team roping horse without a tie down.....perhaps, before making assumptions and "dissing" tie-downs, one should become more knowledgeable in the event.....
and to the OP......that woman "team roper" was just a "snot"......
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Location: Oklahoma | TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-24 9:22 AM I tie down is ALMOST a must in the team roping world. In order for the horse to take the hit of that cow, they need something to brace on. have you seen a heel horse work????? they hit so hard against that cow that they plant their butt and raise their head and the tie down braces them. If they didnt have a tie down to brace against... i would say some of them may flip?? this is just my opinon of course. If you want to argue a tie down on a rope horse, then I would say that a head horse could go without one but i would never rope on a heel horse without one.
Thank you for the explaination!! I'm by no means anti-tie down, but I have one gelding that will just toss his head incessantly if he doesn't have one on. He was a heel horse before he became a barrel horse. I'm not trying to excuse his behavior, but now I just kinda have to laugh at it... he will immediately start tossing his head up and now it's like he's trying to tell me "you forgot something!" I guess it has just always been a part of his training and he's come to expect it and feels lost without it. Maybe someday I will just put the noseband on and not attach a tie down and see if he notices! lol!
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| cyount2009 - 2015-03-24 10:00 AM
TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-24 9:22 AM
I tie down is ALMOST a must in the team roping world. In order for the horse to take the hit of that cow, they need something to brace on. have you seen a heel horse work????? they hit so hard against that cow that they plant their butt and raise their head and the tie down braces them. If they didnt have a tie down to brace against... i would say some of them may flip?? this is just my opinon of course. If you want to argue a tie down on a rope horse, then I would say that a head horse could go without one but i would never rope on a heel horse without one.
I think it is more important on a head horse than it is on a heel horse! LOL a heel horse gets down pressure on the front end holding them to the ground. A head horse not only needs the tie down to balance them in the corner, it gives them something to brace against dragging a steer off and to face. I watch the "Roping and Riding with Tyler Magnus" on RFDTV. I record every episode. I really like how much emphasis he puts on horsemanship. He went over the importance of the tie down in the roping pen a couple weeks ago. He said all of his horses can be roped on without one but it makes the difference between a 11,12 or 13 second run and a 5, 6 or 7 second run because of the mechanics of a horses body and balance.
I don't know... I might have to argue that I would be more apt to go without one on a head horse than I would a heel horse. A heel horse, calf horse, will use it to brace their forward momentum and get on their butt before they get jerked forward. A head horse might run into trouble when they have to face without one but I think they could manage a little better without one. To each their own though... We don't ride any of our roping horses without one unless out in the pasture, and that's maybe because I secretly am hoping we don't have to rope one.... |
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| JMHO so take it or leave it. But what I've seen is there are different levels of ability in each discipline. On average, the more novice they are...the more attitude they have about how great they view themselves. I see more girls strutting around like little Banty roosters at small jackpots than I do at big rodeos. |
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| SKM - 2015-03-24 10:50 AM
JMHO so take it or leave it. But what I've seen is there are different levels of ability in each discipline. On average, the more novice they are...the more attitude they have about how great they view themselves. I see more girls strutting around like little Banty roosters at small jackpots than I do at big rodeos.
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Location: Texas | You hear stereotypes from that from people who really don't know what the heck they're doing and think thats the cool thing to say.. I get flack from people about running barrels at school...come see how my horses behave on the ground and under saddle and you will have a different mindset. It's always the people who really don't have near the experience they claim, and just know enough to skim the surface and crack some stupid jokes. |
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Location: Florida | When I rodeoed, before I retired we had a saying: He's slower than a team roper in slack.
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-23 4:26 PM
I can say that I am probably one of the only team ropers with a little bling on my tack and polo wraps in the back. 
Most ropers and like....what is on your horses back legs? Its funny to me. but i will have to agree with a previous comment. Some rope horses are the brokest horses I have ever sat on. My good rope horse was one of them. you could rope on him in a halter and never touch him and he knew his job. Some of them are spectacular.
I wrap my head horses back legs too lol! And I have probably 30 pairs of custom wraps .. I like to change it up. And when we are done roping instead of sitting around drinking beer with the horses tied up I'm in the barn rubbing my horses legs down with liniment and cleaning him up lol!!! Then I'll drink a beer.. if there's any left! |
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Location: floating down a river | You have the catty ones in every discipline. They are what give the "good ones" a bad name, it is unfortunate, but a reality.
I run barrels, team rope and breakaway rope. Just as there are the catty individuals in each sport, there are the riders who are not horseman in every discipline, and those give the rest a bad name. There is no way around it.... It is what makes the world go round and the jackpots grow and pay better. The shame of it is that for every ten good riders, there is that one that will stand out like a sore thumb and leave the impression. The rest of us can just continue to ride our broke horses, that have a right and left lead, flex, bend, have a flying lead change, are light in the mouth, pivot and stop properly....... |
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| So... This topic started about someone being catty.. and all I see is people being catty on here. At one another, over assumptions, misunderstandings and lack of knowledge...    |
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Hmmmmm.........Was that statement your "passive agressive" way of being catty????? |
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| NJJ - 2015-03-24 4:12 PM
Hmmmmm.........Was that statement your "passive agressive" way of being catty?????
lol not at all. Im just browsing the forum. I just personally think if someone says something you take personally, and it's because perhaps they weren't informed enough, then maybe educate them instead of berating them. =)
JMO. I'm inexperienced the entire way'round when it comes to any of it. I just watch the rodeos and support my friends who do it. |
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| want2chase3 - 2015-03-24 1:47 PM
TNcowgirl88 - 2015-03-23 4:26 PM
I can say that I am probably one of the only team ropers with a little bling on my tack and polo wraps in the back.
Most ropers and like....what is on your horses back legs? Its funny to me. but i will have to agree with a previous comment. Some rope horses are the brokest horses I have ever sat on. My good rope horse was one of them. you could rope on him in a halter and never touch him and he knew his job. Some of them are spectacular.
I wrap my head horses back legs too lol! And I have probably 30 pairs of custom wraps .. I like to change it up. And when we are done roping instead of sitting around drinking beer with the horses tied up I'm in the barn rubbing my horses legs down with liniment and cleaning him up lol!!! Then I'll drink a beer.. if there's any left!
YES! Where do you rope???? LOL I
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