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| rachellyn80 - 2015-05-22 11:29 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-05-22 10:24 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-05-22 11:17 AM astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 10:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by: Its both actually some are rodeo runs some are futurities or jackpots and the barrel racing report labels it as unofficial but we are talking about a standard pattern in general not one or the other. People should realize its different every night of a rodeo and can greatly vary day to day inside with who is dragging.
No one could get their colts to stand up the day he ran that at the Silver Cup Derby. It was slick as ice and he loved it.
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Location: Montana | astreakinchic - 2015-05-21 9:36 AM mtcanchazer - 2015-05-21 11:19 AM NipntuckLR - 2015-05-20 9:36 PM Gotta love the land of the standard pattern. What is a 1D horse? One who can run a 16.9, that is what wins at the big shows. So what is a 2D horse? One who runs a 17.4. Any horse who runs a 17.4 is a dang nice horse. Standard patterns make judging the quality/speed so much easier. . . Here, even at good sized shows, 17.2-17.4 is often winning 1D on a standard pattern. Granted we are not in Texas, but I've only ever seen a 16.9 ran ONCE on a standard here locally. So personally I feel like, anything that can clock in the low to mid 17s on a standard is (around here) a 1D horse. To gage a standard pattern by:
That's very interesting! I was just stating what winning 1D times are around here usually on a standard. :) |
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Location: ARKANSAS | WOW!!! all these years i have been doing it wrong!!! When i buy a horse, which i usually buy young and train myself, or i have in the past. but as i have gotten older i look for something older and that is already broke and do not try to break them myself cause i am just no spring chicken anymore!! But in the years past when i would buy a young horse i kept a diary on each horse..if that horse had the hiccups i wrote it down...all his farrier work was listed if he lost a shoe or had problems holding shoes, etc, when his teeth was floated, when he was wormed, if he he was ever injured etc so that when or if he was ever sold i could give the new owner the diary and i would not have to try and remember every little detail....i also did this when i started their training, and how fast they learned etc...never once have i had ANYONE say hey you did not tell me anout this or that!!
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | As sad as it is, this is one of the reasons I went into the breeding aspect. I have spent a FORTUNE on horses that weren't what people said they were or after I got them home, there was some big underlying pain issue that didn't show up on vet check or x-rays. I got tired of it. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Now that is a grand idea! A diary that is a perfect way to gage how well a horse is coming along.Many breeders in England have done this for their thoroughbreds. NBHA gives a card to keep track of your times.With computer programs today, it would only take a few minutes to type it down. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | I hear Ya. I have been seriously looking for a 2-4 year old with very limited rides good conformation and papers. ....I drove 10+ hours to look a one a few weeks ago that when I got there was a body score of 3 and had pus uzzing out of a cut and they still wanted in the 2k range for him..... |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them. |
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| missroselee - 2015-05-25 10:22 PM I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them.
One man's trash is another man's treasure!
I willl straight walk up to ppl that can't get a horse in and ask how much. I will walk right up when they come out the gate after the sucker ducked and ask how much. You get some real funny looks but its best to ask when the owner is still mad. I've made good money vetting and then selling the horses after they are working good again. If I think it's a pain or training issue I can fix and I know the horse can run I'll gamble on them. Sometimes you get things that aren't fixable and the haft to cut your loses but usually I gave so lil the gamble doesn't hurt me much.
But your right most horses are for sale because the owner can't get along with them for some reason annnnnnd that reason is usually one that prevents their new owners from clicking with them as well. |
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Location: Midwest | I think some of the "D" issues come from those who only run locally.
Say a horse runs a second to a second and a half off (on average) at bigger shows. At our local shows, that do 1 second splits, he would be in the bottom of the 1D or top half of the 2D.
At a 4D, he would be in the 3D.
At a 5D, we'd be in the 3-4D, somtimes in the 5D.
This is all running 1-1.5 off. If the person only goes to shows with one second splits, having a 2D horse means 1-1.9 seconds off... and if they don't run anywhere else, they don't know any better.... or they are just lying. LOL
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-05-26 12:04 PM missroselee - 2015-05-25 10:22 PM I never buy finished horses, or even started ones for that matter. Most of what I buy is under 2 years old. I prefer mine untouched aside from being halter broke etc.
However, IF i were to ever buy a finished 1D horse, I won't even consider looking at a horse that I cannot pull up actual statistics on. Even on the horses I do not intend to sell, I always ask for copies of the results from the races they run at to show not only how they placed, but who they placed against.
The terribly sad part is that it seems like 90 percent of horses for sale are being "dumped" because of a problem with them. One man's trash is another man's treasure!
I willl straight walk up to ppl that can't get a horse in and ask how much. I will walk right up when they come out the gate after the sucker ducked and ask how much. You get some real funny looks but its best to ask when the owner is still mad. I've made good money vetting and then selling the horses after they are working good again. If I think it's a pain or training issue I can fix and I know the horse can run I'll gamble on them. Sometimes you get things that aren't fixable and the haft to cut your loses but usually I gave so lil the gamble doesn't hurt me much.
But your right most horses are for sale because the owner can't get along with them for some reason annnnnnd that reason is usually one that prevents their new owners from clicking with them as well.
My Dad used to do the same thing at barrel races. Ask how much, take them home, give them a different job (usually roping or working cattle), put back on the barrels, and resale.. If you caught them at the right time, you could usually get a good deal! |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | Before people look for a TRUE 1D horse, they need to figure out if they are a TRUE 1D RIDER. Seen a lot of people think they can/say they handle a TRUE 1D horse, that cannot...even a little bit. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I can tell most of you are 4d riders, when you run the circuit in a rodeo they do not ask for your horses name nor do they care. I have been running rodeos for over 20 years and most of them horses are worth more than 30,000 . I have seen a couple on here that are rodeo horses that I have competed against that have done really good on the rodeo circuit that is worth its money. And if you will ask most rodeo girls they will tell you that thier horse will make a better run at a rodeo than at a 4d , the audience, the music it gets in their blood just like ours so we ride harder and so do they . So why you all are putting down the prices of these horses you might want to see which ones have been rodeod on and which ones haven't cause a good rodeo horse is worth its weight and their is a girl from kansas right now that has one heck of a rodeo horse for sell right now that has been there and has done that . If I was needing another one that would be the one I would be looking at I competed against that horse many of times in the WPRA . |
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Location: Florida | If I was looking for a rodeo horse, which I am not since I am retired, I would only look at horses and/or riders that I know. In 30 years of rodeo I have seen everything from blown to trash advertised as rodeo potential. Until you see how they like the crowd and the noise, you can't say that. My best horse did better in performance than slack, he loved the crowd. But, he would still win a jackpot. That's a true rodeo horse. A 1D horse may or may not make a good rodeo horse. The ground is inconsistent, the noise, the waiting tied to the trailer, the long drives and overnight tied to the trailer, that si what separates rodeo from the D's. |
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| I don't think anyone was putting down the prices of TRUE/REAL 1D and quality horses, just the people who sell horses that aren't what they say they are and for ridiculous prices. |
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Location: TN | blccwgl55 - 2015-05-28 7:23 AM I don't think anyone was putting down the prices of TRUE/REAL 1D and quality horses, just the people who sell horses that aren't what they say they are and for ridiculous prices.
Yes. That is what I was saying. It's not paying the price for one, but they are not 1D. |
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Location: East Texas | lol.... I guess that is why horse traders have the reputation they do. So is that just a given and you should know that the horses will be misrepresented and price inflated? That seems to be the consensus of those on here...you should just know. In my short time dealing with buying/selling horses, I have dealt with two horse traders and they both flat out lied about what they were selling. I have since bought from individuals (not traders) and everything has been as advertised. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I think the consensus is and will ALWAYS be......"Buyer Beware"........Do your homework and you probably won't be disappointed with the horse or the price that was asked. NOW....if you can't ride the horse, don't blame the seller........... |
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Location: East Texas | Well, if you like to word it as "buyer beware" then you believe most sellers are lying......well, that is just a sad statement of the world we live in where more seem to lie than are honest.
There is a difference between not being able to ride and lying about the horse you are selling.... Do not confuse the two. |
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