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Location: Montana | jbhoot - 2015-06-07 9:00 AM RnRJack - 2015-06-07 9:27 AM cow pie - 2015-06-06 10:45 PM 5 1/2 lengths. Secretariat stride 102 degrees American Pharoah 104 degrees. That was just out for a day sprint. He does carry a bit of that big red blood. So glad the breeding is coming back to producing amazing horses and his name is so fitting.Hot **** he did it! Wasn't secretariats stride length 110? His stride ANGLE was 110 degrees. His stride length was 25 feet. Wow!
I just read where American Pharoah's final quarter mile was 24.32 seconds...faster than Secretariats 25 seconds in the final quarter mile. AMAZING!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Anyone else find it fitting America kicked ass on D-Day again;-) |
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| It's amazing that, after all this time, Secretariat is still the horse all others are compared to. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I don't see that changing anytime soon either. The horse was simply a freak of nature with the blessing of being handled perfectly for his career.
Not that others haven't been handled as well as he was but you can't breed for freaks, they just happen. |
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| TXBO - 2015-06-07 11:59 AM
It's amazing that, after all this time, Secretariat is still the horse all others are compared to.
When you look at his stats no one has come close. I just can't ever seeing any horse beating his record at the Belmont. Even Man of War who actually had a longer stride (28 feet) Secretariat's times beat him in every race comparison. AP is one heck of a horse but still falls short compared to Secretariat. But he could vary well be better in the stud barn. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-06-07 12:39 PM
TXBO - 2015-06-07 11:59 AM
It's amazing that, after all this time, Secretariat is still the horse all others are compared to.
When you look at his stats no one has come close. I just can't ever seeing any horse beating his record at the Belmont. Even Man of War who actually had a longer stride (28 feet ) Secretariat's times beat him in every race comparison. AP is one heck of a horse but still falls short compared to Secretariat. But he could vary well be better in the stud barn.
I agree... The track record at Belmont 1 1/2 miles is also the world record at 2.24. So a horse has to not only beat the track record, but set a new world record too... Not an easy task....
Big Red was the 1st horse to run the Derby in under 2 minutes.. Sham was the 2nd one hot on his heels. |
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Location: Montana | komet. - 2015-06-07 11:55 AM jbhoot - 2015-06-07 12:39 PM TXBO - 2015-06-07 11:59 AM It's amazing that, after all this time, Secretariat is still the horse all others are compared to. When you look at his stats no one has come close. I just can't ever seeing any horse beating his record at the Belmont. Even Man of War who actually had a longer stride (28 feet ) Secretariat's times beat him in every race comparison. AP is one heck of a horse but still falls short compared to Secretariat. But he could vary well be better in the stud barn. I agree... The track record at Belmont 1 1/2 miles is also the world record at 2.24. So a horse has to not only beat the track record, but set a new world record too... Not an easy task.... Big Red was the 1st horse to run the Derby in under 2 minutes.. Sham was the 2nd one hot on his heels.
Neat! Love this thread, especially for the unique information I'm finding out about different race horses! |
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Location: Missouri | I'm just glad nothing has changed. IE time between races, not allowing fresh horses in. In my eyes, a triple crown winner should win under any conditions, against any horse. AP did just that. All this talk to change the triple crown standards would only ruin the race. I don't want a triple crown winner just to have one. The elite, now 12, is something that should remain elite. Before Secretariat won, they said it could never been done again, it takes a legend to win a legendary title and it should remain the way it is. |
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| I am kicking myself because I did not follow the horses and people involved with this years triple crown series. I usually do, but am dissapointed when there is not a triple crown winner. The hubby and I were on the way to a rodeo and I tried to live stream on my phone only to find out we had just missed the race. :( I am super stoked that I lived to see a triple crown winner. Watching the race replay gives me chills...everytime!! He is a great horse!! I would sure bid on his buddy pony, that is one good looking dude!!! lol. |
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Location: SW MO | mlh0972 - 2015-06-08 9:46 AM
I'm just glad nothing has changed. IE time between races, not allowing fresh horses in. In my eyes, a triple crown winner should win under any conditions, against any horse. AP did just that. All this talk to change the triple crown standards would only ruin the race. I don't want a triple crown winner just to have one. The elite, now 12, is something that should remain elite. Before Secretariat won, they said it could never been done again, it takes a legend to win a legendary title and it should remain the way it is.
 This is so so true I have said this over an over again......Thank you for saying it |
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Location: Texas | mlh0972 - 2015-06-08 9:46 AM I'm just glad nothing has changed. IE time between races, not allowing fresh horses in. In my eyes, a triple crown winner should win under any conditions, against any horse. AP did just that. All this talk to change the triple crown standards would only ruin the race. I don't want a triple crown winner just to have one. The elite, now 12, is something that should remain elite. Before Secretariat won, they said it could never been done again, it takes a legend to win a legendary title and it should remain the way it is.
I agree. My friend and I were talking about it after California Chrome. We both said if that is how it has always been done then that is how it always should be. The horses before did it under those conditions, I don't see why another horse couldn't.
American Pharoah just proved that it still could be done. |
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Location: Oxford, Kansas | I saw a picture claiming his angle was 112 degress.... |
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| ksbarrelchick - 2015-06-08 2:12 PM
I saw a picture claiming his angle was 112 degress....
Could you provide a link please? Thanks in advance. |
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| Wasn't Man O' War held up and never fully allowed to run in most of his races, except the Dwyer when he raced John P. Grier? He also carried up to 138 lbs and was only beaten one time, and only because of a terrible start and a bad ride by the jockey? And he didn't have the tracks of today to run on, either... |
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| American Pharoah Vs. Secretariat
http://deadspin.com/this-is-what-it-would-look-like-if-american-pharoah-rac-1709988755?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Secretariate was pressed and pressed hard from the begining by Sham. A.P. was not. He got to dictate the pace as nobody took it to him. That is why his time, vs Secretariates time is so much different. Could A.P. run with Secretariate? I dont know. Nobody knows and nobody will ever know. |
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