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Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat. |
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| komet. - 2015-06-10 6:15 PM
jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway ) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat.
We are not arguing about much difference in time I think the confusion is because they use to measure in 5th's of a second and now it is in 100's. The old way sham was 2/5 th's behind using 100th's he would be .50 seconds behind either way Sham was a heck of a horse. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:36 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 6:15 PM
jbhoot - 2015-06-10 6:00 PM
komet. - 2015-06-10 5:01 PM
Douglas J Gordon - 2015-06-10 4:39 PM
That is like 15-17 lengths difference isn't it?
Well... They figured he went 2 1/2 lengths in 1/5 of a second... That's giving 12.5 lengths /second... So at that rate he could cover 32.5 lengths in 2 3/5 seconds. But this depends on how hard the horses is running.... Cruising speed or flat out..
I beg to differ koment Most handy cappers use 5 lengths per second as an average. UK it's 6 per second both are on dirt. it does differ on turf. These are only averages it does differ for track conditions.
I'm sorry I was wrong... It is known Sham was 2 1/2 lengths behind Red in the Derby.... and they gave him a time 2/5-sec behind Red's time.. I don't understand why they don't have full times for the lead horses. They have individual times for the final quarter mile. Sham tied the old record (posted by Whirlaway ) of 23 3/5 while Red ran it in 23 flat.
We are not arguing about much difference in time I think the confusion is because they use to measure in 5th's of a second and now it is in 100's. The old way sham was 2/5 th's behind using 100th's he would be .50 seconds behind either way Sham was a heck of a horse.
Actually 2/5 would translate into .40.. but you are right... Sham WAS a great horse and had he been born one year earlier or later I have no doubt we would have had 4 triple crown winners in the 70s. Sham IS among the elite group of horses that have run the last quarter of the Derby in under 24 seconds.. I feel sorry that most of the time he was looking at Red's backside. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | So basically AP was 2.65 seconds behind about 13 lengths behind Secretariat. Wow he truly was the super horse. |
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| The main difference in AP and SEC is the length of their strides in their relaxed momentum strides along with their breathing rhythm they can maintain without running out of air.
At one point there was almost 4 seconds difference. AP maintained his 24+ seconds per 1/4 mile from start to finish and SEC picked it up and moved to the 24 second speed in the last half mile and with his fast first 1/4 reduced his overall time...
Most TB's will run at 24-25 ft stride lengths and then there are those that can run at 26-28 ft stride lengths while maintaining their breathing and momentum. Jockeys on both changed to right leads as they entered the home stretch to give their horses a fresh side to run on ...
Listen to your track announcers at tracks ... they will still call the race in 5th's whether it is in full seconds or like AP's timer was in thousandths of a second and got called in the 5th's manner.
If you are wondering how the PP numbers float around at the bottom of the screen to show each horses place in the entire race works .... big tracks now have wifi bar code readers setup and each horse has a bar code attached to his headstall. Similar to the readers they have set up on toll roads ... lol
Listen to the race call in 5th's and watch the timer and the dancing PP numbers at the Belmont ...
https://youtu.be/WyDcXtVb8_U
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realize any of the stringent things that take place with each race. Most people never
see most of these things happening ...
Checking tattoos in the saddling paddock or paddock entry
Who set the gates up at the proper distance
Where did all those guys come from milling around the gates
Arrival of the pony horses for the post parade
Where they go after the gates open
Where the gates go and all the headers and ground crew go after the race starts
Most ignored and unseen are the outriders on horse back positioned around the track with usually two posted at turns or any openings around the track 10-12 is a usual number.. see if you can see them parked against the outside rail inside the track... and don't miss the one with his back to you right after the race starts ..
and then figure out how the pony riders ended up across the finish line to pickup their mounts to lead back to the finish line .. lol
Where did all the people and trophies come from that are now in the winners circle
These are just some of the obvious things no one notices when at a race track event ...
every 25-30 minutes .. for 10+ races ...
and you think your job is stressful ..
lol ....
https://youtu.be/WyDcXtVb8_U
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Interesting tidbit, Secretariat's heart weighed 26 lbs. The largest in history. Sham's was the 2nd largest in history at 14 lbs.
That said, I have no idea why people are comparing Secretariat and AP. It doesn't make any sense to me. |
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| Leo - 2015-06-11 5:18 PM Interesting tidbit, Secretariat's heart weighed 26 lbs. The largest in history. Sham's was the 2nd largest in history at 14 lbs. That said, I have no idea why people are comparing Secretariat and AP. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Affirmed and Seattle Slew seem to be getting glossed over....whick sucks in my opinion. BUT, Secretariat sure did do it impressively. 31 lengths on the longest, most challenging race in the TC. He set a record that still stands today....42 years later and many generations of superb horses have not been able to catch up to it.
That said, I kind of get it. AP won in a similar style (progressively getting faster, still pulling away at the finish). Secretariat, whether we like it or not, is the horse that Joe Shmoe will "maybe" recognize. He got his own (poorly executed) movie, lol.
37 years of TC heartbreak have been put to rest...people are going to talk about and compare the TC winners whether it makes sense or not.
Edited by Just Plain Lucky 2015-06-11 5:48 PM
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