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Location: United States | My previous vet injected 4 locations and my current vet injects 2. Her reason was she didn't believe the risk outweighed the benefits of performance enhancement with the extra 2 injections. Does anybody know if there has been a study done that could support either way? Trying to make a decision, thank you in advance.
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I don't know but I will give you a bump. I would like to see if there is a difference. |
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Location: In my own world | I'm curious too. My chiro thinks my mare needs hers done. We are getting rads first next week and conferencing with my vet |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I was told that for them to have SI pain, there is something else very wrong that needs fixed. Injections there are just a cover up. I tried them myself after hock injections made no difference and his feet and stifles were all fine. He was later diagnosed as having broke his pelvis previously. He is now light riding sound after legging him up all summer. He can long trot forever and lope easy but no circles. The injections did make a difference before I knew what was wrong, but I won't do them anymore on this horse as I have no plans on riding him hard enough to need them.
Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2015-08-06 7:18 PM
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Location: Texas | the vet i go to does ultrasound guided SI injections. They just do two injections, one on each side. |
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| I would say if your horse got relief from two injections I would stay on that program- you are risking serious infection issues every time you invade a joint space from the outside- four injections in the SI area seems a bit excessive- |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | casualdust07 - 2015-08-06 5:54 PM the vet i go to does ultrasound guided SI injections. They just do two injections, one on each side.
this is what my vet did, got good results with 2 injections, on a mare I used hard. |
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Location: Phoenix | CrossCreek - 2015-08-06 10:12 PM casualdust07 - 2015-08-06 5:54 PM the vet i go to does ultrasound guided SI injections. They just do two injections, one on each side. this is what my vet did, got good results with 2 injections, on a mare I used hard.
That's also what mine did. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I only do two myself. If the horse has has major ligament distress in the area I feel like it helps them. I'm starting to lean more to PT vs Injections. Had a horse that has gone from several injections yearly to doing 2-3 times per week heavy duty body work and daily stretching. She was unable to keep barrels up last year. This year only one barrel hit. |
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Location: almost heaven | I have had both done and seen results. The 4 point injection was by far much better and the horse hasn't needed it again yet. Not many vets do it in all 4 corners but this vet in Ocala is recommended by other vets. This horse built so much muscle in his hindquarters after the 4 point injection which I really believe is why he is not getting sore now.
The way it was explained to me is the SI area works like a pivot hinge moving in all 4 directions so you need to address all movement areas to truly be effective. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2015-08-06 3:39 PM
I was told that for them to have SI pain, there is something else very wrong that needs fixed. Injections there are just a cover up. I tried them myself after hock injections made no difference and his feet and stifles were all fine. He was later diagnosed as having broke his pelvis previously. He is now light riding sound after legging him up all summer. He can long trot forever and lope easy but no circles. The injections did make a difference before I knew what was wrong, but I won't do them anymore on this horse as I have no plans on riding him hard enough to need them.
Completely agree with this! Chiro suggested SI injections for my gelding, helped short term. Eventually found a fractured pelvis.
Wyoming Barrel Racer- Is your horse completely retired from barrels because of this? |
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Good Ole Boys just Fine with Me
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Location: SE Missouri | I think I need SI injections and then it fixed!! It's super annoying and makes me crabby! I don't want a bandaid I want to fix it.
bTW sorry to hijack the thread, lol. |
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Location: NE Texas | Interesting article here posted by Dr. Schell with Nouvelle Research. You can post your questions regarding the si issues we all deal with on the forum at www.secondvet.com and he will certainly answer any questions and be happy to discuss these issues that seem to plague all of us with our performance horses. He has helped me get career and life threatening respiratory issues under control that had 4 very competent vets scratching their heads. This same horse had previously had soreness issues through the lower back, si region, and kissing spine was even mentioned, but the priority was treating the respiratory distress issues when I first spoke with Dr.Schell. Once the respiratory issues were handled, I then asked him to help with the soreness I was seeing through the lower back/si area, as my horse would wince dramatically and show tenderness and resistance when saddling and sweat scraping after a rinse off with very little applied pressure. Now you can palate this horse anywhere you want and he will show zero signs of soreness or tenderness whatsoever. Through the process I also eliminated ulcer and hind gut issues to boot. I'd encourage anyone who is having issues to contact Dr. Schell through the forum at www.secondvet.com with any questions and can guarantee if you'll give his program a chance you will not regret it. It has been life saving for my horse....literally!
https://nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/379-case-study-equine-stifle-and-si-lameness
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | turnedout - 2015-08-08 12:01 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2015-08-06 3:39 PM I was told that for them to have SI pain, there is something else very wrong that needs fixed. Injections there are just a cover up. I tried them myself after hock injections made no difference and his feet and stifles were all fine. He was later diagnosed as having broke his pelvis previously. He is now light riding sound after legging him up all summer. He can long trot forever and lope easy but no circles. The injections did make a difference before I knew what was wrong, but I won't do them anymore on this horse as I have no plans on riding him hard enough to need them. Completely agree with this! Chiro suggested SI injections for my gelding, helped short term. Eventually found a fractured pelvis. Wyoming Barrel Racer- Is your horse completely retired from barrels because of this?
yes unfortunately. We think it happened when he was out to pasture the winter of '11/'12. I had my son in May and started to leg him back up for the futurities and he just didn't feel right in tight circles. When I started to haul him he would blow out of his 2nd turn, but 1st and 3rd were still good. Looking back at the videos I can see him take a stutter step now and again as he goes from a trot to walk leaving the arena. Could have him massaged/chiros and he would be perfect again for 1 run. Vet that diagnosed him Oct 2013 said to turn him out and allow for his back muscles to change to the new shape of his pelvis (asymetrical sp?). I gave him a yr and about 7 months off. He legged up great, can long trot forever and a day. Loping even big circles seems to tweak him. He doesn't stay sore like before but I feel some discomfort in him while we are doing it. So no barrels, just some ranch riding and I have been showing him in showmanship at the AQHA shows. He can pivot as long as I don't over work him and keep him straight but he doesn't like to back much and I wonder if his pelvis bothers that. |
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