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Location: Colorado | Swannranch - 2015-08-12 9:14 PM I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider.
Swan, you have addressed your experience before and I don't disagree with your feelings.
My post was directed at someone who called Sharon a clown for hitting the dirt and then went on to call out a long time member here.
There is a whole lot of ego in the sport of rodeo. Sometimes I think we allow ourselves to be disapointed the person is not what we saw on TV or the local rodeo.
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Location: OH-IO | When I spent the two day weekend at her clinic just a few years back she MADE all the clinic rides ride in her gear. it was a very big promotion of her line of products...which to me is a disgrace.....look i ride my horse in the most light headgear i can. And when my horse acts like a complete jack b/c you put something way different and worse in his mouth-i dont appreciate paying $ for that. Offering or asking is one thing....but to make your riders wear YOUR line of product whether it is good bad or ugly-NO THANKS!
Went to several Troy crumrine clinics. Never once did he try to sell us ANYTHING, in fact he showed us all how to make proper length draw reins and such AT HOME FOR CHEAP. Not only did he teach us at the level each individual needed to be taught, but he got ON AND SHOWED US! Now that is someone who should be teaching. If you cant show me how to do it, you shouldnt be trying to teach me....
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO  |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | Stitch4k9 - 2015-08-12 11:48 PM Swannranch - 2015-08-12 9:14 PM I think itnsounds like your friend had anlot of class. When I met Sharon, she exibited no real class, very arrogant overly impressed with hirself maybe but no class. I think the humor in Sharons situation probably came from people sick of her attitude. I dont thinking laughing at a time like that 8s something many of us could deny we have done. Sharon made cruel jokes at peo0le and kids and then laughed at them when they cried.Ill never get past telling a child he horse wasnt worth dog food. AND the child was not a cryer and was a very strong knowledgable rider. Swan, you have addressed your experience before and I don't disagree with your feelings.
My post was directed at someone who called Sharon a clown for hitting the dirt and then went on to call out a long time member here.
There is a whole lot of ego in the sport of rodeo. Sometimes I think we allow ourselves to be disapointed the person is not what we saw on TV or the local rodeo.
karen
Edited to add, I had no expectations when I attended her clinic, really. I didn't know much about her and the only clinic's I had attended at that time were the Reinhardts (still some of the best ever)
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | stayceem - 2015-08-14 2:41 PM I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO
See, I disagree with this only because we have had people on here that love her. There are those that love her and those that hate her. Seems to kind of be a great way to get an idea of what you want and what to expect.
I like that we have this ability. I know people that have posted good and bad about other clinics...I used that information to chose weather to go or not.
Bashing to me is posting rumor, heresay and he said/she said. Every post on here that I read was by an attendee. I would rather get open honest information here than spend $500 to find out it's not what I was looking for.
From what I get here...if you are tough skinned, and you don't mind brutal and what some see as rude, you are totally open to using her gear only and you are a high level rider aiming for the NFR or equal aspirations, this might work for you.
If you are a beginner to intermediate or a youth or parent of a youth, if you are looking to learn in a friendly enviornment and advance at a moderate level...learn and have fun with a horse that will probalby never be 1D or Open Rodeo but is a great learning horse for your skill leve...this is probably not the clinic for you.
But every time someone askes ME how it was.....I will tell them, probably several times.
This is a brutal and honest acessments of her clinic.
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Location: OH-IO | Swannranch - 2015-08-14 7:16 PM stayceem - 2015-08-14 2:41 PM I personally am not a fan of this thread... its turned into a bashing post if you ask me. I really hate cyber bullying. Someone asked about a well-known barrel racer and I privately messaged her my thoughts/experiences. I dont think we need name calling and these types of threads on here. JMO
I like that we have this ability. I know people that have posted good and bad about other clinics...I used that information to chose weather to go or not.
Bashing to me is posting rumor, heresay and he said/she said. Every post on here that I read was by an attendee. I would rather get open honest information here than spend $500 to find out it's not what I was looking for.
From what I get here...if you are tough skinned, and you don't mind brutal and what some see as rude, you are totally open to using her gear only and you are a high level rider aiming for the NFR or equal aspirations, this might work for you.
If you are a beginner to intermediate or a youth or parent of a youth, if you are looking to learn in a friendly enviornment and advance at a moderate level...learn and have fun with a horse that will probalby never be 1D or Open Rodeo but is a great learning horse for your skill leve...this is probably not the clinic for you.
But every time someone askes ME how it was.....I will tell them, probably several times.
This is a brutal and honest acessments of her clinic.
 gotta say I agree... I wanna know the good bad and ugly before I throw down hundreds for a clinic |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | It's important to know what you're getting into when you spend good money on a barrel racing clinic. Wish someone had warned me off the one I went to.
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The Advice Guru
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| Frodo - 2015-08-14 9:14 PM
It's important to know what you're getting into when you spend good money on a barrel racing clinic. Wish someone had warned me off the one I went to.
Everyone's experience with a clinic is different.
I do believe you get out of the clinic what you put in.
Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone had a bad experience.
Yes it is nice to go into a clinic knowing a little info, but even the negative info you need to take with a grain of salt.
I when I go to a clinic, I am not expecting miracles, and even if I take one thing home, then it was a good experience.
If the clinicians methods don't work for you, then you know for future reference.
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Not Afraid to Work
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| I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc.
"I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion.
"She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception.
But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing.
Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
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Location: nj | I have audited and been to alot of her clinics (along with other peoples clinics) - part of what I have seen is that you are asking for her expertise on bitting your horse and what will work as a tool in competion and training. I have never seen her insist that someone uses what she suggested - you are paying her (and other people whose clinics you attend) to get their advice and if you are silly enough to not even try it, then you might as well just stay home and do the clinic over the internet. Having the bits there to try, and not have to buy or borrow one to try them is a great value. And in my exerience - I and other people I know have tried equipment that she suggested that we thought would never be right.. and ending up having that equipment be our main go to bit on the horse.
I went to one of her clinics 20+ years ago and one last year, and they have evolved and changed over the years - I highly recommend them.
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  Rebel Without a Cause
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | Stitch4k9 - 2015-08-12 8:33 PM GLP - 2015-08-12 7:23 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 5:47 PM Nevertooold - 2015-08-12 1:00 PM kabarrels - 2015-08-12 8:34 AM About 4 years ago I watched one of her clinics. After going through all the work and motions, during the end she was getting the crowd all wild to see her make a run on a borrowed horse she was riding all throughout the clinic. So finally she made a nice looking run, not too fast, but on the way home as she was slowing the horse, Sharon actually fell off, tumbling forward off the horse and onto the ground as he came to a stop. She looked mortified and people were complaining they wasted their time to watch a someone who ended up being a clown the entire time. That's my experience with Sharon Camarillo. I can't believe I just read this. If you couldn't figure out what she did for you with your riding before the end of the clinic then it is you that is the clown.
All I stated was what happened and the reactions of the people involved in the clinic. I was watching from the stands, and had been there all day from seeing a pleasure class before the clinic begun. How could I be the clown? Screw off.
I guarantee she was a hell of a hand. And just happened to be the WPRA President that year. Which made it evan better because the announcer had just made a BIG deal about who she was and her accomplishments. And for a long time after he made sure to ask her if she was trick riding or running barrels.
Calling someone a clown for hitting the dirt says a lot more about you than the person riding.
Sharon is a hand. You may not like her style nor be able to ride behind her. But, that says more about you than her. And your smart comment to NTO says a lot about your lack of class.
karen
Let's not forget she's got to be in her 60's, as we grow older sometimes our bodies just don't cooperate as well as they did when we were younger. |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
"She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
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The Advice Guru
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| Swannranch - 2015-08-15 11:31 AM
stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
"She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
This behaviour is unacceptable, but I believe you said this was 20 yrs ago, people do change.
Heck bullying was okay 10 yrs ago, now it has been socially unacceptable.
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sharon is 67 years old.
She is an inductee to the Cowboy Hall of Fame.
She is very big into horsemanship and I sure think that is a good thing. You have to be able to ride before you can run a horse.
When I first became a member of this site back in 2003, there were many negative threads about the way she treated people at her clinics. The clinic I attended was back in 1996 or 1997. I have talked to a lot of people that have attended her clinics and we came to the conclusion that she believed in tough love and believe that being hard on people motivated them to be the riders that could be and she seemed to be the hardest on people that had the nicest horses and felt she could help the most.
Fast forward...the threads of late of have been positive ones. People change and their teaching techniques change. I would say she has found a balanced style of teaching but I do know she doesn't have the personality of being one that will blow butterflies up someone's butt and won't be a person that thinks everyone should get a trophy.
Like I have said many times...I like her style and I have her books, videos and articles she has written so we sure didn't butt heads about what she was teaching...
She loved my horse and told me he was one of the nicest horses she had ever seen at one of her clinics and tried to buy him.
I would have loved to have gone back to one of her clinics but the bad memories over rode the good and in my opinion it would have been like paying someone to abuse me and I'm not wired like that.
This is the last time I will ever post on this subject.
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Location: Nebraska | I went to one in January. I learned a lot, it was well worth the money. I found Sharon to be really classy, but brutally honest. However, I've found those are the best instructors for me, so I didn't mind a bit. The first thing she did when we made eye contact out of the sign-up area was walk straight up to me and shake my hand. She's very attentive to the riders and their horses even in group work such as warming up. She does suggest her bits a lot, but she doesn't force you to buy them- she lets you try your horse out in them and she has a sale trailer where you can buy tack if you like the results.
She will give you specific answers to questions if you ask her and she is very straightforward. My only regret was going in winter- since there were so many riders, it got pretty cold for those waiting or others to finish their lessons and drills. Even in a warmer California winter I wore jacket upon jacket, multiple pairs of socks, and gloves to keep from freezing. |
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Miracle in the Making
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| Swannranch - 2015-08-11 1:05 PM The BEST clinic I ever attended was put on the the Reinhardts. They came to Florida years ago. They probably had 100 bits with them and other equipment all from different manufacturers. Their goal was to learn, enjoy and find what works for you and your horse. Never insulted anyone, never made fun of any one but easily made corrections that made sense.
yes and they brought mom dad whoever how with thm to make sure they understood so to help when home
i love the cajon joke danny used comefor the bull
how to communicate love mr dan an ms vicki |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | cheryl makofka - 2015-08-15 1:14 PM Swannranch - 2015-08-15 11:31 AM stayceem - 2015-08-15 12:58 AM I am not opposed to stating how things went, good or bad. Pros, cons, likes, dislikes... what I don't agree with is calling someone classless... making allegations of arrogance, etc. "I thought she pushed her products too much." Valid opinion. "She was overly critical and I didn't feel I got the same attention as those on high caliber horses." Valid perception. But I think this thread went beyond helpful information. To me some not all or even majority but some came off as bashing. Eta... I too like knowing the good and bad of a clinic but only one side of these alleged stories are being heard and I feel it's unfair. We don't know these were truly how they happened... I've seen people get awfully defensive when someone offers advice. Remember there 2 sides to every story and then the truth. "She told an 11 year old girl, her horse would not even make good dog food"
"If your to ignorant to know what a diagnol is, I don't know why your here"
"I HATE working with wannabe's, If I had it my way people would have to qualify to even attend one of my clinics. Sponsors won't allow me to do that. I don't see the point of working with garbage horses that will never win anything" Let alone the people".
Direct quotes from Sharon Camarillo, how's that?
You can "bash" me for having an opinion, but the difference is I didn't charge you more than $500 to listen
This behaviour is unacceptable, but I believe you said this was 20 yrs ago, people do change. Heck bullying was okay 10 yrs ago, now it has been socially unacceptable. I think it is more important to focus on the more current experiences
Just for detail, it was about 14 years ago. Yes a long time ago, and I sincerely hope she is better.
Reading the threads, there are some that like her now, and some that do not.
Her credentials are great and if we were talking about her as a historical figure, a barrel racer and maybe a horse trainer...great.
The question was about her clinics, and therefor her as a clinition.
I had never EVER seen anyone so vile in my life. I was not the only person that felt that way, although maybe the only one that will talk about it. There were 2 future Circuit finalists that were beginners there that were both students that left. I only add that because it seems people think if you dont' like her, it's because you can't ride or have no ability.
And just to make the note, my daughter was not the child she threatened or told her horse was crap.
Good Luck to those that go, I sincerely hope her clinics are better than they were 14/15 years ago BUT if you ask, I will tell you!!!
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