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Location: California | What do you expect for a horse in these different price ranges
$5,000
$10,000
$15,000
I'm trying to accurately price a horse. Thank you | |
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 Coyote Country Queen
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| Too many variables to be considered! Age, price, pedigree, amount of training, gender, etc. to name a few things. You've got to look at the whole picture to be able to get an accurate value. | |
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Elite Veteran
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| What do you mean by all around/barrel horse? That really changes the scenario, and thus the prices.
We have a 2D-4D depending on how you ride her type barrel mare, who also does almost every other discipline imaginable - She is not 'all around' in show terms where they only do speed events or slow events, she is a true all around. Roping, Western Pleasure, English Pleasure, Dressage, Showmanship/halter, etc. Only thing she doesn't do is jumping of any kind because she couldn't get her 1300lbs self off the ground. She even has experience in mounted archery.
She isn't for sale, and probably never will be, but when she was for sale a few years back before she was finished in everything (started in quite a bit), she was 10k. Solid Paint, Mare, 7 years old at the time, No lines worth mentioning. Plenty of interest in her, but we couldn't sell her, we liked her too much. If they are smart and talented enough to be a TRUE all around horse, they usually aren't for sale.
If you are just wanting a speed 'all around' then this is what I think of.
5k - Prospect, probably weanling/yearling. Not started, halter broke, and basic ground work (stand for farrier, vet, tie, etc).
10k- Started, good potential, still needs quite a bit pattern work w/ lines or starting to be finished w/out lines.
15k - Finished, needs hauled/experience w/ lines, Finish and consistent w/out lines.
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Location: California | And absolutely ZERO buck bolt or bite! | |
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 Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ. | |
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Location: California | ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ.
Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ? | |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | *almost there* - 2015-09-21 11:50 AM
~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ.
Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ?
No, opposite in my opinion.... I'm trying to sell a decent gelding... 5 year old, registered, broke gelding. He lopes a decent pattern. Never been entered though. 15.3 hands. Bay roan. Great conformation. Clean legged. Stout, muscular. Spins. Side passes. No vices. Easy and relaxed with everything. Has worked cattle. Been used on a ranch. Awesome in trails. Will make someone a nice horse... And I have very minimal interest at $4k. | |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 3:20 PM
*almost there* - 2015-09-21 11:50 AM
~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ.
Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ?
No, opposite in my opinion.... I'm trying to sell a decent gelding... 5 year old, registered, broke gelding. He lopes a decent pattern. Never been entered though. 15.3 hands. Bay roan. Great conformation. Clean legged. Stout, muscular. Spins. Side passes. No vices. Easy and relaxed with everything. Has worked cattle. Been used on a ranch. Awesome in trails. Will make someone a nice horse... And I have very minimal interest at $4k.
Take off that "used on a ranch" part. That generally means problems. To the Op: It seems that prices vary a great deal by location. Check local advertisements to get a starting figure. | |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | CanCan - 2015-09-21 8:39 PM
~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 3:20 PM
*almost there* - 2015-09-21 11:50 AM
~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ.
Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ?
No, opposite in my opinion.... I'm trying to sell a decent gelding... 5 year old, registered, broke gelding. He lopes a decent pattern. Never been entered though. 15.3 hands. Bay roan. Great conformation. Clean legged. Stout, muscular. Spins. Side passes. No vices. Easy and relaxed with everything. Has worked cattle. Been used on a ranch. Awesome in trails. Will make someone a nice horse... And I have very minimal interest at $4k.
Take off that "used on a ranch" part. That generally means problems. To the Op: It seems that prices vary a great deal by location. Check local advertisements to get a starting figure.
Can I ask why the ranch work would make folks think there was a problem? My horses were purchased thru friends or with friend's help so I've never bought from an ad. | |
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Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-22 1:41 AM CanCan - 2015-09-21 8:39 PM ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 3:20 PM *almost there* - 2015-09-21 11:50 AM ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ. Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ? No, opposite in my opinion.... I'm trying to sell a decent gelding... 5 year old, registered, broke gelding. He lopes a decent pattern. Never been entered though. 15.3 hands. Bay roan. Great conformation. Clean legged. Stout, muscular. Spins. Side passes. No vices. Easy and relaxed with everything. Has worked cattle. Been used on a ranch. Awesome in trails. Will make someone a nice horse... And I have very minimal interest at $4k. Take off that "used on a ranch" part. That generally means problems. To the Op: It seems that prices vary a great deal by location. Check local advertisements to get a starting figure. Can I ask why the ranch work would make folks think there was a problem? My horses were purchased thru friends or with friend's help so I've never bought from an ad.
In my neck of the woods, it's a euphimism for hours under saddle without learning much and probably bronc-y. | |
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| CanCan - 2015-09-22 6:01 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-09-22 1:41 AM CanCan - 2015-09-21 8:39 PM ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 3:20 PM *almost there* - 2015-09-21 11:50 AM ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-21 8:30 AM Shoot, I wish we saw those numbers here in AZ. Do horses sell for a lot higher in AZ? No, opposite in my opinion.... I'm trying to sell a decent gelding... 5 year old, registered, broke gelding. He lopes a decent pattern. Never been entered though. 15.3 hands. Bay roan. Great conformation. Clean legged. Stout, muscular. Spins. Side passes. No vices. Easy and relaxed with everything. Has worked cattle. Been used on a ranch. Awesome in trails. Will make someone a nice horse... And I have very minimal interest at $4k. Take off that "used on a ranch" part. That generally means problems. To the Op: It seems that prices vary a great deal by location. Check local advertisements to get a starting figure. Can I ask why the ranch work would make folks think there was a problem? My horses were purchased thru friends or with friend's help so I've never bought from an ad.
Haha, that's what I get from it too. Broke to ride with none of the training is what I get from 'used on ranch'. I'd rather get an unbroke one for 1/4 the price than pay for riding that hasn't taught it anything.
Not saying that's what he did, that's just the thought that comes to mind anytime someone says the horse has been on the ranch. | |
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Veteran
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| I don't know what the people on ranches do in your part of the country but I much prefer a horse that's been used on a ranch. A horse in west TX that has been used on a real working ranch can do it all. We only used the horses that had the very best handle to pen and sort cattle for shipping and working, you never know when you are going to have to rope and doctor one out in a section pasture they better be pretty solid to get the job done since you are usually alone and don't want to get you or your horse hurt besides its a long way back to the truck on a section of land. We live in very rough country rocks, very steep rocky bluffs, creeks, mesquite and lots of prickly pear that you cant go around the horses have to jump or go thur. so year I like a horse that's been used on a real ranch | |
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | That is very interesting and surprising to me as well. Being used on a working ranch, to me, is a great attribute. Any horses we have owned from a ranch have been the most docile, broke, versatile horses we have ridden. But there is the "dark side" of ranches as well. My gelding came back with a much more willing attitude and more refined 'buttons', but he came back a good 75-100lbs underweight. In saying that, again, any ranch horses we have had have been wonderful, trustworthy horses. So I have always thought that being "ranch broke" was a good thing. | |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-22 11:31 AM
That is very interesting and surprising to me as well. Being used on a working ranch, to me, is a great attribute. Any horses we have owned from a ranch have been the most docile, broke, versatile horses we have ridden. But there is the "dark side" of ranches as well. My gelding came back with a much more willing attitude and more refined 'buttons', but he came back a good 75-100lbs underweight. In saying that, again, any ranch horses we have had have been wonderful, trustworthy horses. So I have always thought that being "ranch broke" was a good thing.
Location matters, that's for sure. Where I am from 'ranch rode' means the horse has been 'cowboy broke' and knows everything wrong, backwards, and is likely ruined. We don't have 'good' ranches up here. | |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I also think it is a loaded question... for a mediocre bred horse
I expect
2500 for a green broke prospect
5000 for something started on the pattern, knows all the basics, ready to have a job basically
10,000 2d/3d type horse, solid pattern
15,000 1d/2d locally
20+ 1d at the larger races
Now add in good bloodlines, you will see them higher. But I personally wont pay 5-10k for a weanling. Too much risk in that for me LOL
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | I think it all depends on exactly what you are looking for. Size matters too. I had 2 listed, but they are kid horses, so on the smaller side 13.2-14.2 geldings, not registered, do barrels, poles, flags, breakaway, goats. You can literally win the All Around on one horse. These were gone within 2 days to the same lady.
Now for the bigger kids/adults, I think you will pay more because you have to have more horse. | |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | jbw tx mom - 2015-09-22 8:57 AM
I don't know what the people on ranches do in your part of the country but I much prefer a horse that's been used on a ranch. A horse in west TX that has been used on a real working ranch can do it all. We only used the horses that had the very best handle to pen and sort cattle for shipping and working, you never know when you are going to have to rope and doctor one out in a section pasture they better be pretty solid to get the job done since you are usually alone and don't want to get you or your horse hurt besides its a long way back to the truck on a section of land. We live in very rough country rocks, very steep rocky bluffs, creeks, mesquite and lots of prickly pear that you cant go around the horses have to jump or go thur. so year I like a horse that's been used on a real ranch
This is kinda why I asked the question, cause I'd always noticed the ranch horses around here seemed nicely broke!! | |
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 Living on the edge of common sense
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Location: Carpenter, WY | ~BINGO~ - 2015-09-22 9:31 AM That is very interesting and surprising to me as well. Being used on a working ranch, to me, is a great attribute. Any horses we have owned from a ranch have been the most docile, broke, versatile horses we have ridden. But there is the "dark side" of ranches as well. My gelding came back with a much more willing attitude and more refined 'buttons', but he came back a good 75-100lbs underweight. In saying that, again, any ranch horses we have had have been wonderful, trustworthy horses. So I have always thought that being "ranch broke" was a good thing.
I agree and don't think I'd have one that was just 'arena broke'. IMO you just can't beat miles and wet saddle blankets.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I grew up in a small town where we traded $500 and two black bald faced brangus heifers for my first barrel horse. He stayed around the 2d area when I was a youth in Oklahoma. I remember my Daddy struggling after paying the $500 cash and giving away the heifers. But he "wanted me to have a good horse." Oh how times have changed...
To answer your question and what I have seen trending here in North Texas
(Depending on the seller, location, demand, and interest in each individual horse and without any major medical problems) :
$3-5k-Patterened. Not hauled much of anywhere, not seasoned. Well broke when not on the pattern. Nothing older than 5 years.
$6-10k- Seasoned. Consistant in 2-3D. This horse knows his/her job. Some light riding (45-60Min/day) during the week and on the pattern (walk-trot-lope) may be expected. Nothing over 12 years old.
$11-25k- Very well seasoned and hauled. Consistant 1D. Can handle any type ground. Very well broke outside of the arena. Can skip a few days of riding and still know their job well enough to place in the 2D. Nothing over the age of 18 years.
Then again, I myself wouldn't buy a horse over $3-$5k. Why? I don't need a 1D monster. I just run small jackpots for the heck of it. Plus my SO lets me spend whatever I win on whatever I want (SCORE!)
But my friends would totally pay $11-25k for a horse. Heck, I've seen them take out loans from the bank for automatic 1D horses. Only the horses they find come complete with more problems than Brittany Spears in the early 2,000s. Ha!  | |
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