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Location: Beggs, OK | svincent - 2015-09-23 1:12 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 10:54 AM svincent - 2015-09-23 11:24 AM LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 7:59 AM I use a 5 star 3/4" pad so the pad isn't too thick. I also don't think he's *that* wide but he's not as small as the average horse. He has huge shoulders which may be hard to see in the photo, and sweeps back to a wide loin. He's had dry spots for maybe the last five rides I've put on him, so I highly doubt that's enough time to leave some damage. I've had an experienced saddle fitter take a look but it's still leaving dry spots like that and I'm not convinced it's fitting the way it should. I did get an email back from Charon and she said the saddle wasn't up far enough and I wasn't using the right pad. When I put the Ultra Rocket on his back without a saddle pad it actually fit like crap.. When I ran my hand under it put pressure in the exact spot it left dry spots. She said I need to put it on with a 13" cutback pad and move it up farther (which I also don't understand as it was practically on his neck when we saddled up). Why would a cutback pad change the fit so much? I've watched her videos but I don't see how a pad would help it not pinch... Someone enlighten me? Cutbacks allow for the rotation of that big shoulder blade. SOMETIMES without a cutback, that shoulder rotation will scooch your pad (and saddle ) backwards just with friction. My saddleright is kind of a cutback-ish and works really well. Message me your email and I will shoot you a pic of my gelding saddled if you want : ) The ProMax is as wide as an UltraRocket, it just has the flat bars. I was told by Charon that my Saddleright worked perfectly under my Caldwell. I have no issues with it slipping any direction, no dry spots, so uneven sweat patterns of any kind, and no back soreness at all.
No, the Maxxed Out is as wide as the Ultra Rocket. The ProMax and the Rocket are the same width. I've found the ProMax to be the most versatile tree as far as fitting different types of horses. |
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Location: PNW | rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 11:17 AM
svincent - 2015-09-23 1:12 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 10:54 AM svincent - 2015-09-23 11:24 AM LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 7:59 AM I use a 5 star 3/4" pad so the pad isn't too thick. I also don't think he's *that* wide but he's not as small as the average horse. He has huge shoulders which may be hard to see in the photo, and sweeps back to a wide loin. He's had dry spots for maybe the last five rides I've put on him, so I highly doubt that's enough time to leave some damage. I've had an experienced saddle fitter take a look but it's still leaving dry spots like that and I'm not convinced it's fitting the way it should. I did get an email back from Charon and she said the saddle wasn't up far enough and I wasn't using the right pad. When I put the Ultra Rocket on his back without a saddle pad it actually fit like crap.. When I ran my hand under it put pressure in the exact spot it left dry spots. She said I need to put it on with a 13" cutback pad and move it up farther (which I also don't understand as it was practically on his neck when we saddled up). Why would a cutback pad change the fit so much? I've watched her videos but I don't see how a pad would help it not pinch... Someone enlighten me? Cutbacks allow for the rotation of that big shoulder blade. SOMETIMES without a cutback, that shoulder rotation will scooch your pad (and saddle ) backwards just with friction. My saddleright is kind of a cutback-ish and works really well. Message me your email and I will shoot you a pic of my gelding saddled if you want : ) The ProMax is as wide as an UltraRocket, it just has the flat bars. I was told by Charon that my Saddleright worked perfectly under my Caldwell. I have no issues with it slipping any direction, no dry spots, so uneven sweat patterns of any kind, and no back soreness at all.
Whoops, I just edited my other because of my mistake. Lol. I caught it as soon as I posted. Thinking faster than I type and only half comes out. |
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Location: PNW | svincent - 2015-09-23 11:18 AM
rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 11:17 AM
svincent - 2015-09-23 1:12 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 10:54 AM svincent - 2015-09-23 11:24 AM LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 7:59 AM I use a 5 star 3/4" pad so the pad isn't too thick. I also don't think he's *that* wide but he's not as small as the average horse. He has huge shoulders which may be hard to see in the photo, and sweeps back to a wide loin. He's had dry spots for maybe the last five rides I've put on him, so I highly doubt that's enough time to leave some damage. I've had an experienced saddle fitter take a look but it's still leaving dry spots like that and I'm not convinced it's fitting the way it should. I did get an email back from Charon and she said the saddle wasn't up far enough and I wasn't using the right pad. When I put the Ultra Rocket on his back without a saddle pad it actually fit like crap.. When I ran my hand under it put pressure in the exact spot it left dry spots. She said I need to put it on with a 13" cutback pad and move it up farther (which I also don't understand as it was practically on his neck when we saddled up). Why would a cutback pad change the fit so much? I've watched her videos but I don't see how a pad would help it not pinch... Someone enlighten me? Cutbacks allow for the rotation of that big shoulder blade. SOMETIMES without a cutback, that shoulder rotation will scooch your pad (and saddle ) backwards just with friction. My saddleright is kind of a cutback-ish and works really well. Message me your email and I will shoot you a pic of my gelding saddled if you want : ) The ProMax is as wide as an UltraRocket, it just has the flat bars. I was told by Charon that my Saddleright worked perfectly under my Caldwell. I have no issues with it slipping any direction, no dry spots, so uneven sweat patterns of any kind, and no back soreness at all.
Whoops, I just edited my other because of my mistake. Lol. I caught it as soon as I posted. Thinking faster than I type and only half comes out.
I TOTALLY agree with you about the versatility of the ProMax, it's on my wish list. My gelding is most definitely an UltraRocket to the letter, but I'd love to add a ProMax to my tackroom. |
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Location: PNW | Re-looking at your pics, your horse doesn't really have that racey low-back that would need a Rocket tree (of any width). I would agree with Rachellynn and suggest finding a Pro tree to try out. |
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Location: In a happy place | I agree with the ProMax fitting more horses than the others. And I also agree with earlier post that said your horse does not look that wide....hence why the wider Caldwell trees.
You might want to also look at the Vernon Purdy saddles. One tree fits most every horse. Vernon is a very smart man on how a saddle should fit a horse properly to allow the horse to go do his job. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 12:54 PM
svincent - 2015-09-23 11:24 AM LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 7:59 AM I use a 5 star 3/4" pad so the pad isn't too thick. I also don't think he's *that* wide but he's not as small as the average horse. He has huge shoulders which may be hard to see in the photo, and sweeps back to a wide loin. He's had dry spots for maybe the last five rides I've put on him, so I highly doubt that's enough time to leave some damage. I've had an experienced saddle fitter take a look but it's still leaving dry spots like that and I'm not convinced it's fitting the way it should. I did get an email back from Charon and she said the saddle wasn't up far enough and I wasn't using the right pad. When I put the Ultra Rocket on his back without a saddle pad it actually fit like crap.. When I ran my hand under it put pressure in the exact spot it left dry spots. She said I need to put it on with a 13" cutback pad and move it up farther (which I also don't understand as it was practically on his neck when we saddled up). Why would a cutback pad change the fit so much? I've watched her videos but I don't see how a pad would help it not pinch... Someone enlighten me? Cutbacks allow for the rotation of that big shoulder blade. SOMETIMES without a cutback, that shoulder rotation will scooch your pad (and saddle ) backwards just with friction. My saddleright is kind of a cutback-ish and works really well. Message me your email and I will shoot you a pic of my gelding saddled if you want : )
Now this would make sense - that the Ultra Rocket was too wide. When I set it on him with no pad, it was making sharp contact where he got the dry spots so most likely means it wasn't making contact anywhere else but there. I think I'll look for both a Rocket and a ProMax to try. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 3:36 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-09-23 12:54 PM svincent - 2015-09-23 11:24 AM LuckyNGG'sGirl - 2015-09-23 7:59 AM I use a 5 star 3/4" pad so the pad isn't too thick. I also don't think he's *that* wide but he's not as small as the average horse. He has huge shoulders which may be hard to see in the photo, and sweeps back to a wide loin. He's had dry spots for maybe the last five rides I've put on him, so I highly doubt that's enough time to leave some damage. I've had an experienced saddle fitter take a look but it's still leaving dry spots like that and I'm not convinced it's fitting the way it should. I did get an email back from Charon and she said the saddle wasn't up far enough and I wasn't using the right pad. When I put the Ultra Rocket on his back without a saddle pad it actually fit like crap.. When I ran my hand under it put pressure in the exact spot it left dry spots. She said I need to put it on with a 13" cutback pad and move it up farther (which I also don't understand as it was practically on his neck when we saddled up). Why would a cutback pad change the fit so much? I've watched her videos but I don't see how a pad would help it not pinch... Someone enlighten me? Cutbacks allow for the rotation of that big shoulder blade. SOMETIMES without a cutback, that shoulder rotation will scooch your pad (and saddle ) backwards just with friction. My saddleright is kind of a cutback-ish and works really well. Message me your email and I will shoot you a pic of my gelding saddled if you want : ) Now this would make sense - that the Ultra Rocket was too wide. When I set it on him with no pad, it was making sharp contact where he got the dry spots so most likely means it wasn't making contact anywhere else but there. I think I'll look for both a Rocket and a ProMax to try.
I really think you'd like the fit and feel of an Allen Ranch. If you could get one to try I think it would sure be worth your time. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | All I know is if your horse was a person he would be a comedian with all the looks he has..LOL |
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| Nevertooold - 2015-09-23 5:25 PM
All I know is if your horse was a person he would be a comedian with all the looks he has..LOL
I call him my big puppy dog. If he could climb in my lap he would lol he sure doesn't lack character! |
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| So here are some pics of the way my Crown C fits - pictures B, C, and D, are after he had his bath which is why they look different. When I run my hand under, there's a pressure point right behind where the bars flare (there is plenty of flare for his shoulders it seems), which is where the dry spots are. I tried to illustrate this in the SaddleMakers.org photo. Someone correct if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking the "twist" of the tree is too steep right behind the bar flare. Ideas?
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| From the one picture it looks like you need a flat bar.
Before buying another saddle maybe ask crown c about getting a loaner in the culler you have and a flat bar |
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