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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Warriors Mom - 2015-10-12 11:11 AM Mighty Broke - 2015-10-12 10:40 AM I agree with the things you strive for in a breeding program and in QH or TB racing I would put more stock in the X-Factor for the amount of O2 it supplies to the body but in a 17 second pattern I do not see it being a huge issue and I do not know that the X-Factor actually makes a horse grittier. You are correct that a larger heart will supply more O2...however, a key piece of pouring more O2 into the body is not just for speed and endurance. More O2 mean less time for the muscle to recoup for a hard work, this could be deemed many things...ie grittiness...or the fact that (A ) barrel horse hauled countless hours down the road can keep running and winning like it was fresh off a rest, since it takes less time for lactic acid to reduce in the muscle, hence it is getting more oxygen supply. There are several other areas more O2 can help a horse recover faster. In the end, if you bred for soundness of body, foot, and mind. Plus though the X factor in the loop, you would have one bad mamma jamma of a barrel horse, provided training is correct and you have a good jockey in the irons. In turn this means less bute, less injections, less dex, less "what ever the new hype is", less money to haul down the road and keep your horse sound, which all in turn equals a greater profit margin on a win. Therefore, if you have bred for all great things in a horse (large bones, flat knees, good foot, deep stifle, long underline, ect ), why not add an extra incentive of the X factor?
While your dissertation is certainly informational and interesting ...... but for reference........
How many "winners" has this program produced for you?
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| NJJ - 2015-10-12 11:33 AM
Warriors Mom - 2015-10-12 11:11 AM Mighty Broke - 2015-10-12 10:40 AM I agree with the things you strive for in a breeding program and in QH or TB racing I would put more stock in the X-Factor for the amount of O2 it supplies to the body but in a 17 second pattern I do not see it being a huge issue and I do not know that the X-Factor actually makes a horse grittier. You are correct that a larger heart will supply more O2...however, a key piece of pouring more O2 into the body is not just for speed and endurance. More O2 mean less time for the muscle to recoup for a hard work, this could be deemed many things...ie grittiness...or the fact that (A ) barrel horse hauled countless hours down the road can keep running and winning like it was fresh off a rest, since it takes less time for lactic acid to reduce in the muscle, hence it is getting more oxygen supply. There are several other areas more O2 can help a horse recover faster. In the end, if you bred for soundness of body, foot, and mind. Plus though the X factor in the loop, you would have one bad mamma jamma of a barrel horse, provided training is correct and you have a good jockey in the irons. In turn this means less bute, less injections, less dex, less "what ever the new hype is", less money to haul down the road and keep your horse sound, which all in turn equals a greater profit margin on a win. Therefore, if you have bred for all great things in a horse (large bones, flat knees, good foot, deep stifle, long underline, ect ), why not add an extra incentive of the X factor?
How many "winners" has this program produced for you?
More than my fair share....I have been a lucky person to have owned the horses I have....but I chalk my luck into being educated and learning from some of the best in the industry, that have by far out produced me in winners.
Whichever, I strive to produce the best horses possible with the knowledge I have. Every breeder does....this is just my take and some of the ways I look for in breaking a tie when choosing which horses to bred or buy for my personal use.
Edited by Warriors Mom 2015-10-12 12:10 PM
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Location: California | I would breed to the horse who's offspring are proven winners. A lot of winners don't produce and a lot of producers weren't world champions... I just prefer my odds with a horse I know is for sure already producing winners. | |
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| Well see i trained frenchmans guy futurity colts and geldings mares stallions. They where blown up and I've worked around them and been around there temperments I'm not cracked up about them. I beileve I'm gonna go with the corona cartel. I beileve he will be a great match for my mare. Thank you guys for helping me out! This is my first time ever breeding her, so im really excited to have a corona cartel colt or filly. I've always wanted a corona cartel because of the versatile endurance and how much heart they have. I've heard so many great things about them. So thank you everyone for helping me !! :) | |
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| Warriors Mom - 2015-10-12 12:08 PM
NJJ - 2015-10-12 11:33 AM
Warriors Mom - 2015-10-12 11:11 AM Mighty Broke - 2015-10-12 10:40 AM I agree with the things you strive for in a breeding program and in QH or TB racing I would put more stock in the X-Factor for the amount of O2 it supplies to the body but in a 17 second pattern I do not see it being a huge issue and I do not know that the X-Factor actually makes a horse grittier. You are correct that a larger heart will supply more O2...however, a key piece of pouring more O2 into the body is not just for speed and endurance. More O2 mean less time for the muscle to recoup for a hard work, this could be deemed many things...ie grittiness...or the fact that (A ) barrel horse hauled countless hours down the road can keep running and winning like it was fresh off a rest, since it takes less time for lactic acid to reduce in the muscle, hence it is getting more oxygen supply. There are several other areas more O2 can help a horse recover faster. In the end, if you bred for soundness of body, foot, and mind. Plus though the X factor in the loop, you would have one bad mamma jamma of a barrel horse, provided training is correct and you have a good jockey in the irons. In turn this means less bute, less injections, less dex, less "what ever the new hype is", less money to haul down the road and keep your horse sound, which all in turn equals a greater profit margin on a win. Therefore, if you have bred for all great things in a horse (large bones, flat knees, good foot, deep stifle, long underline, ect ), why not add an extra incentive of the X factor?
How many "winners" has this program produced for you?
More than my fair share....I have been a lucky person to have owned the horses I have....but I chalk my luck into being educated and learning from some of the best in the industry, that have by far out produced me in winners.
Whichever, I strive to produce the best horses possible with the knowledge I have. Every breeder does....this is just my take and some of the ways I look for in breaking a tie when choosing which horses to bred or buy for my personal use.
Have your horses been confirmed to have the large heart?
Also I haven't seen anywhere, and if it is published please direct me to the article, where it says corona cartel is confirmed to have the large heart.
One other question, is there a place that is testing for the large heart gene? | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | To the OP: You're going to breed to Corona Cartel himself? Most of us can't get to him not only because his stud fee is high, I'm sure his managers are not breeding just every mare that comes along.
Are you saying you are going to a son? I'd be interested in hearing which sons are on your list. There are some that might be a better cross for barrels than others.  | |
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