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| First of all, I am 100% against breeding anything that isn't bred well, built well, and proven.
HOWEVER, I have a paint mare who is something of a local legend. She is papered, nothing worth mentioning, but she is built well and she is a NICE barrel horse. She's locally a 1D horse and 2D at World.
You'd have to know the mare to know just how amazing she is. She's gritty, smart, GORGEOUS (build and color), fast, and proven in barrels and roping.
She's everything you'd want to breed EXCEPT papers!!
Now, I do not plan on selling any baby I get off her, but things happen.
Would you breed her? |
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Location: Okemah,OK | Short answer, yes.....especially if I liked the mare and believed in her and wanted one for myself. I own 9 daughters, sons and granddaughters out of the mare in my avatar. She's never been anything but a broodmare but thank goodness the original owner took a chance and bred her. She's produced pro rodeo winners, 1D BBR horses and USTRC money earners. I'm forever grateful for her babies and now have three of her granddaughters by the best studs I could afford because I believe in her so strongly! |
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  Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | Absolutely, I'd breed a mare like that in a heartbeat. I recently lost my 2 old broodmares, neither was name brand but their foals are outstanding. I was lucky enough to raise a gelding and filly out of each mare and have no intention of parting with any of them. |
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Location: West Texas | What makes good papers? If you have a horse with nothing exceptional on the papers and then the horse is fantastic, those papers just got a lot better. What I am saying is great horses make great papers, not the other way around. Yes breed her if you want to breed. There is only one way to prove a horse and that is to breed them. Every horse starts out untrained and unproven. If people would think less about the papers, the trends, etc and more about the individual horse, then we would have more genetic diversity and better horses, as a whole. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Yep. she's proven she's a good horse, breed her on her merit and you are fine. |
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 The BHW Book Worm
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| Yes breed her. Bring some newer blood in that is proven! Rather purchase a baby out of a mare with conformation and proven ability then a dink with fabulous papers that is brood mare sound only that had never been saddle broke.
Edited by Thistle2011 2015-11-02 9:02 PM
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I AM being nice
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Location: MD | I am in the exact same position with my Paint mare. Nice, nice horse. Conformationally, I can't fault her. People on the East Coast know the mare well enough that they come to the fence when she runs. When folks ask me how she is bred, I laugh, pull up her pedigree on my phone and chuckle at the looks on their faces. She's being bred in the Spring. |
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| Tdove - 2015-11-02 8:08 PM What makes good papers? If you have a horse with nothing exceptional on the papers and then the horse is fantastic, those papers just got a lot better. What I am saying is great horses make great papers, not the other way around. Yes breed her if you want to breed. There is only one way to prove a horse and that is to breed them. Every horse starts out untrained and unproven. If people would think less about the papers, the trends, etc and more about the individual horse, then we would have more genetic diversity and better horses, as a whole.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Yes, I wouldnt hesitate. |
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Location: Kansas | Tdove - 2015-11-02 8:08 PM What makes good papers? If you have a horse with nothing exceptional on the papers and then the horse is fantastic, those papers just got a lot better. What I am saying is great horses make great papers, not the other way around. Yes breed her if you want to breed. There is only one way to prove a horse and that is to breed them. Every horse starts out untrained and unproven. If people would think less about the papers, the trends, etc and more about the individual horse, then we would have more genetic diversity and better horses, as a whole.
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| WrapSnap - 2015-11-02 9:03 PM
I am in the exact same position with my Paint mare. Nice, nice horse. Conformationally, I can't fault her. People on the East Coast know the mare well enough that they come to the fence when she runs. When folks ask me how she is bred, I laugh, pull up her pedigree on my phone and chuckle at the looks on their faces. She's being bred in the Spring.
I have a gelding like that, he is a palomino built NICE, was used as a stud and cut late so still has the stud look, and around here any sharp looking palomino is usually a Frenchmans Guy so when I get asked how he's bred a lot of people are surprised he's a "nothing". Only name on either side that is big is Sugar Bars 3 gen back - but he's a heck of a horse!! |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Absolutely. There are many horses that were great and went on to prove themselves without having the bloodlines to back them up. That's the only way new bloodlines can get brought into a discipline. We can't continue to only breed those that are already bred well. She sounds like an excellent candidate for producing. |
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| short answer, yes. I am going to breed my mare that is nothing worth mentioning on paper but is also everything I want in a horse. I plan on keeping whatever foals I get from her. That being said, I will breed to nice, well known studs that I feel compliment her and numerous people that know her, would love to have a foal so I wouldn't say there's NO resale there. I'm sure the same with your mare. |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Yes. |
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| I would. The mare in my profile picture is a solid paint with nothing special on her papers. She's a 2D/3D barrel horse, 23 second pole horse, a fantastic halter/showmanship horse, and is a proven all around show horse. She got injured in August in a freak accident while racing, and has since healed but we booked her to breed since we didn't know how well she would heal from it. She's being bred to Nonstop Firewater in 2016. We chose to breed them because they are both smart, hard working, conformationally correct, and have amazing personalities. Firewater has nice feet and a shorter back (only fault I would improve on Dee), Dee has more height and muscle (16 hands, 1300#).
If you find a stallion that compliments her well, then you should have a nice baby out of a proven mare. Once they are proven, bloodlines are just words on a paper. |
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 Having Smokin Bandits
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | I'm very picky about breeding. My pet peeve is how people will breed any old Rusty in the backyard. It's got to be a superior animal for me to support breeding it. But that sure sounds like a superior animal. Just because she doesn't have any "famous" names in her papers doesn't cancel out all the other great things you said. |
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