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| I'm in the process of training a five year old. I'm teaching her inside rein outside leg for shoulders and inside rein inside leg to move hind quarters. How should I get control of her rib cage? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | ropinandcontest - 2015-11-22 8:30 PM I'm in the process of training a five year old. I'm teaching her inside rein outside leg for shoulders and inside rein inside leg to move hind quarters. How should I get control of her rib cage?
I'm not quite understanding why switching up which leg? I move my outside leg forward about the cinch to push shoulders over (inside rein and maybe some outiside depending if I have a neck reined horse or a colt), put my leg just straight to move ribs and might move it back a tad for hips. I'm talking a space of about 2-4 inches movement for each shoulder/rib/hip. They "get it" very fast with consistency. My show horse was trained by someone else and I barely move my leg back or forward 2 inches and he knows what to move.
If you are trying to swing the hip to the right, inside leg ( right leg) just seems so strange? Am I understanding you correctly? |
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Location: West Texas | Inside rein and inside foot, just like the hind quarters but in the middle of the body. Make sure you are giving a slight release when the horse softens. |
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| Are you trying to not get the rib cage flopped out? Is that the reason for the inside rein outside leg? |
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| Your desired outcome is to have the horse "bent" from head to tail not just bent in the neck. Lots of circles of various sizes. Be sure to tip the horse's nose in with leg lightly in the ribcage. Last year at a clinic, they had us working in tiny circles at a walk but if you are just pulling the horse's head around to your foot it is pointless. The goal is to curve the entire body. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I can't tell if my explaination made any sense, but any body part I am wanting to move, I push with the opposite leg. If I want ribs to go left, I use my right leg and usually pick up nose to the right just slightly and ask them over. Doing the ribs, like in a side pass works really well at first along a fence. Just put their nose to the fence and ask them to side pass along it by pushing with your leg to get them to move over.
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Location: West Texas | I think what is being asked is how to free up the ribcage and get bend out of the body, rather that just moving that part of the body away from pressure. As mentioned, the nose doesn't free up the body the ribs do, in conjunction with the face. Many focus on just the head or neck and don't realize the goal is to soften the body. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Tdove - 2015-11-23 9:38 AM I think what is being asked is how to free up the ribcage and get bend out of the body, rather that just moving that part of the body away from pressure. As mentioned, the nose doesn't free up the body the ribs do, in conjunction with the face. Many focus on just the head or neck and don't realize the goal is to soften the body.
very true and the post above about circling and getting that nose to follow the tail while staying soft is a good way. But IMO being able to move ribs/hips/shoulders should all be done before getting out of the round pen or for those that don't do much in a round pen, then it needs taught before doing much else. If you have those 3 things, you can control just about anything they do without having to pull on their face. |
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| She is only track broke. So I'm starting from scratch. The lady I got her off of is helping me a little bit and she was saying the same thing to get control of shoulders, rib cage, and hips. With my retired horse that I ran I didn't do that much with the shoulders so I wasn't sure how to train the horse. The lady was having me use the inside rein outside leg for the shoulders and the horse picked it up very fast that way. I'm not sure why she had me do it that way. I'm thinking it is cause the horse has no clue bout any neck reining or leg pressure. Not sure though. I wasn't sure to get control of the rib cage and have it bend if I just had to bring my inside leg forward a touch from where I use it for the hind quarters.
I hope that helps. And thanks for all the advice. I can use all of it.
I'm also just at a walk so far. Sometimes trotting but barely
Edited by ropinandcontest 2015-11-23 9:14 PM
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Location: Texas | There isn't really a formula that I can give you. It is something that you just have to feel. Get some help from someone that is really good with feel and body control and they can help you immensely.
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Location: North Dakota | grinandbareit - 2015-11-25 8:28 AM There isn't really a formula that I can give you. It is something that you just have to feel. Get some help from someone that is really good with feel and body control and they can help you immensely.
I agree.
I routinely take lessons with a reining trainer. It's nice to have another pair of eyes tell me what my horse's body is doing, and to help me FEEL it better.
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