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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-12-08 7:55 PM I don't see any lameness, but I think she is not conditioned to the circles yet. That's a pretty small circle when all they are used to doing is running straight. I would try to find a bigger area so you can do a bit bigger circles until she gets more accustomed to them. How long have you had her? How many rides had she had off the track in that video?
I have owned her less than a month. She's had maybe 20/30 rides post track so i think she looks fabulous! just making sure her issue is a learning thing, not a lameness/stifle thing. the cross-firing is a flag but she only does it in small circles, not larger ones nor when riding. I'm limited here in Michigan for places to ride in December with footing that isnt hard. she just had her shoes pulled so i dont want to add strain by putting her on rough hard ground. |
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| I was able to get some videos this weekend. I added them to the original post. |
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| htaucher1 - 2015-12-09 7:12 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-09 4:56 AM She is favoring her right front ... either in the shoulder or in the knee ... Look for a small less than 1 inch scar on either side of her right front knee for a bone chip removal ... or she may have a floating chip right now or some cartilage damage .. Watch her short step that RF ... and it falter when moving forward ... What's the allbreed pedigree on this mare??
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| Watched the videos, yep something is definitely wrong. I would take her to vet and bring those videos with you, before she goes to the trainer. Horses just don't crossfire or travel like that without an issue. |
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| In the riding video, I do see something with the front end, but can't pin point it as she is only trotting 2 strides.
In the pasture one, near the beginning of the video, I see her stabbing her toe into the ground on the back left twice, this could mean hocks or stifle.
How thorough was the vet check, flexion, X-rays?
I would have chiro out, if that doesn't help, then I would go to a lameness specialist |
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Location: Heart of Texas | I think your mare is sound. She just doesn't know how to carry herself properly. I went thru this with my very one sided mare when I bought her and honestly 3 years down the road she'll still do it evey now and then when doing a flying lead change. It was ingrained in her head to carry a left lead. She didn't even know how to lounge. Whoever raced her did a horrible job training and balancing her. Had they done a better job she probably woulda won a lot more money. But their loss, my gain. No fault of her own. I think with the proper training your pony will be just fine. |
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| jewishprincess - 2015-12-14 11:51 AM I think your mare is sound. She just doesn't know how to carry herself properly. I went thru this with my very one sided mare when I bought her and honestly 3 years down the road she'll still do it evey now and then when doing a flying lead change. It was ingrained in her head to carry a left lead. She didn't even know how to lounge. Whoever raced her did a horrible job training and balancing her. Had they done a better job she probably woulda won a lot more money. But their loss, my gain. No fault of her own. I think with the proper training your pony will be just fine.
I like your opinion the best! my vet is coming tomorrow to check her. id rather be safe than sorry with lameness issues. my trainer advised the same. But i'm mentally going with yours! |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | htaucher1 - 2015-12-14 9:55 AM jewishprincess - 2015-12-14 11:51 AM I think your mare is sound. She just doesn't know how to carry herself properly. I went thru this with my very one sided mare when I bought her and honestly 3 years down the road she'll still do it evey now and then when doing a flying lead change. It was ingrained in her head to carry a left lead. She didn't even know how to lounge. Whoever raced her did a horrible job training and balancing her. Had they done a better job she probably woulda won a lot more money. But their loss, my gain. No fault of her own. I think with the proper training your pony will be just fine. I like your opinion the best! my vet is coming tomorrow to check her. id rather be safe than sorry with lameness issues. my trainer advised the same. But i'm mentally going with yours!
she is a nice mover. Now I know the video was for us to watch but I would never let my horse continue cross cantering. To me it just looks really easy for her. You may just have to train it out of her. I would make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard... |
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Location: sunny california | i am pretty sure i saw her left stifle catch in the pasture video |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I see a horse that needs some myofascia work. Simple fix and a very common issue in horses off the track. |
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| I own an OTTB that does that all the time. It is a training issue. When she raises her head she is hollowing her back and she is not using herself properly. Stabbing toes could be her toes are too long. Also, keep in mind that her racing plates just came off and she could be ouchy. TB's are known for flat and tender feet and their toes are usually kept long on the track with little to no heal. I would make sure you train her to use herself correctly and from the rear rather than pulling with the front. Working her in a frame will strengthen muscles that she hasn't had to use and small tight circles are going to be hard on her stifles. Hope this helps :)
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| kwanatha - 2015-12-14 2:32 PM
i am pretty sure i saw her left stifle catch in the pasture video
If you watch that pasture video carefully there definitely is a stutter step on one hind leg. Hard to tell when a horse is prancing. |
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Location: Florida.. | I see a horse that hasnt been worked into this.. her balance and strength is not ready.. the circles are small and shes not able to do this yet.. I also dont feel the she is ready for the poles serpentines yet ..her muscles could be sore from that to. it is like going from running straight cardio to doing alot of gymnastics in a short month.. its impossible really without developing properly and doing simple basic suppleing and flexing. Id start her slow and large areas and be doing more slow work and not framing her up but slowly conditioning her differant muscles in short spurts.. not long sessions but id definately not be doing the small circles and the serpentine pole things your daughter was doing at this time.. .after the trainer works thru some things she should be able to tell you if its more a vet issue or a chiro issue or the proper avenue to take.... .. but shes a nice mare.
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-12-14 11:33 PM I see a horse that hasnt been worked into this.. her balance and strength is not ready.. the circles are small and shes not able to do this yet.. I also dont feel the she is ready for the poles serpentines yet ..her muscles could be sore from that to. it is like going from running straight cardio to doing alot of gymnastics in a short month.. its impossible really without developing properly and doing simple basic suppleing and flexing. Id start her slow and large areas and be doing more slow work and not framing her up but slowly conditioning her differant muscles in short spurts.. not long sessions but id definately not be doing the small circles and the serpentine pole things your daughter was doing at this time.. .after the trainer works thru some things she should be able to tell you if its more a vet issue or a chiro issue or the proper avenue to take.... .. but shes a nice mare.
I had my daughter trot the serpentines just to see if she was willing. It was more of a personality check than a readiness check. That isnt a normal thing we work on at this stage. I have only had her a few weeks so i am spending most of my time with leg pressure and flexing. That is all very new to her. |
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Location: Florida.. | htaucher1 - 2015-12-15 8:08 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-12-14 11:33 PM I see a horse that hasnt been worked into this.. her balance and strength is not ready.. the circles are small and shes not able to do this yet.. I also dont feel the she is ready for the poles serpentines yet ..her muscles could be sore from that to. it is like going from running straight cardio to doing alot of gymnastics in a short month.. its impossible really without developing properly and doing simple basic suppleing and flexing. Id start her slow and large areas and be doing more slow work and not framing her up but slowly conditioning her differant muscles in short spurts.. not long sessions but id definately not be doing the small circles and the serpentine pole things your daughter was doing at this time.. .after the trainer works thru some things she should be able to tell you if its more a vet issue or a chiro issue or the proper avenue to take.... .. but shes a nice mare. I had my daughter trot the serpentines just to see if she was willing. It was more of a personality check than a readiness check. That isnt a normal thing we work on at this stage. I have only had her a few weeks so i am spending most of my time with leg pressure and flexing. That is all very new to her.
Ok..its always hard to know the process of others on here.. shes a beautiful mare ..with shoes on and off and new way of being ridden it could be just a adjustment for her muscles and body. if she passed vet check Id probrably let the trainer work her for a week and reevaulate her..then have vet out if she feels thats the avenue to take.. or chiro or ...... |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | htaucher1 - 2015-12-09 7:12 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-09 4:56 AM She is favoring her right front ... either in the shoulder or in the knee ... Look for a small less than 1 inch scar on either side of her right front knee for a bone chip removal ... or she may have a floating chip right now or some cartilage damage .. Watch her short step that RF ... and it falter when moving forward ... What's the allbreed pedigree on this mare??
There is your problem. Have you ever watched a horse swim? Thier head is up and back hollowed plus it can be hard on stifles. I think it will just take time to retrain your mare to carry herself correctly on the ground and in circles, she just has no idea how to use herself correctly. If there are any soreness issues I think they are minor and can be corrected with massage therapy. |
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