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  Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | Has anyone ever had a horse that was aggressive, dangerous, or just plain obnoxious that you ended up laying down? And did you get the result you wanted or and result at all? I'm not talking about throwing violently, but calmly laying one down the proper way. |
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Location: Texas | I've known trainers who do this and get results. |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have and yes got results. Both that I remember the most were nasty and turned out to be counterfeit anyways. Hauled them off for Alpo :( |
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| Yes I have. I had a very aggressive mare and did my research and found someone that had a good background. It helped immediately but she had other issues for her aggression and also had lots of emotional layers I needed to fix too. I think it did help but she also had other issues too.
Edited by Bucky 2016-03-31 9:26 PM
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 Double Standards Don't Fly
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Location: At the barn | Yes, I use this when one is aggressive, insecure or just didn't want to click and get with the program. It's an entire process and some horses submit quicker than others. So you have to make sure you have the time to ride the process out in case it takes a couple hours or longer. You need to be extremely experienced to lay one down otherwise it can be dangerous to you and or the horse.
But the change in the horse is amazing and you will see it right away if it's done correctly. Once they submit and lay down they usually don't want to get up. That's good. You just rub and lay all over them and really let them feel your energy, which should be low, confident and comforting, and just really take your time.
Every time I do this the horse earns an entirely new respect for me and from that point on we can really work on training and move forward. |
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I AM being nice
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Location: MD | Absolutely! I have laid horses down for aggression, outright defiant behavior, etc... I have had great results. I can think of one instance where it didn't benefit the horse, but she was born a true rogue. |
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Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | I'm glad to get all these good reports. I laid my grand daughters horse down today, she can just be a jackass sometimes. It took about 15 minutes, and when she went down she was so tranquil. I rubbed all over her for a couple of minutes and then smooched her up. We put her back in her stall and going to go back out and ride her tomorrow. I'm hoping I get the same great results you guys did. I also have a friend that has renamed her horse lucifer. No respect, I trained horses for almost 30 years and have never seen one so willing to try to kill you. We plan on laying him down as a last resort before he goes off to the killers as an outlaw. I've only had to lay one other horse down in my career and had good results. Just wanted to know if it was a fluke or not. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I know a trainer that had a stallion that would turn nasty once in a while. He tied him down one day and turned about 6 mares in to pick at him for a while.... His attitude changed for the better. |
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 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | I've had it make a tremendous difference....but you've really got to be careful how you do it. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I have a funny story a neighbor told me. He had a nasty one that he layed down a few times just to really get the point across. He was out riding one time and the horse slipped and went down, landing on his leg. The horse was so used to being down that the guy was able to get out from under him and everything turned out ok. He just held the head over so the horse was a bit secure and rubbed on him like usual. Most circumstances the horse would have panicked and jumped up dragging the guy. |
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| Endo Spink aka Paul Williams works at a Japanese TB training facility high up
in the mountains in Japan. He is an expert doing the tap maneuver ..
His family must have raised draft mules.. his techniques are the same we used
on mules ... especially if they did not want to work in a team.
It is best for them to be wearing the equipment they will be working in or
at least a training girth .. they accept the equipment and an attitude change
at the same time ..
This simple maneuver is not to be played with ... it will definitely get you hurt
if you have sticky feet or if you don't stick with the horse .... applying uniform
pressure ..
https://youtu.be/HqQi0rkkbTs
NOW FOR SOME GOOD ADVICE TO SAVE YOUR BUTT IF THIS HAPPENS ..
you get hurt when you have a sticky butt and your brain freezes up ..
https://youtu.be/gsLt-j0N5tw
STAY SAFE AND KEEP YOURSELF OUT OF JEOPARDY !!
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 Chasin my Dream
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Location: Alberta | Yes.....and kinda.
My now 6 year old gelding, we bred and raised...his name is Diablo.
He wanted nothing to do with being handled as a colt and would run away from me and would kick if I tried to anything past his shoulders. We layed him down, it didn't even phase him and he didn't change. What did adjust his view of me was when he got caught up in a fence at 2 and I had to cut the fence to get him out of it. Thankfully he was smart enough not to struggle and wasn't hurt. He still is a pain in the butt but has calmed down and isn't dangerous (he has his drama moments tho and I just laugh) BUT he is a heck of a horse. I had many moments I wanted to send him down the road, but I was too stubborn  |
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| We got a 3 year old that was essentially untouched about 6 years ago. He was a nutcase. My husband got him ready to ride, saddled, bridled, lots of ground work etc. He would do really well for like a week. My husband would say tomorrow is the day I get on him. Well he never got him, because it never failed that he would go back to square one. He broke so many things on the saddle from bucking. Finally Greg decided to lay him down. It didn't change him at all. It got to the point that when Greg tied his leg up he just laid down. He could Crack a whip, swing a rope and anything else he wanted to do, but when he stood up he was the same horse as before. My husband said that was the only time he had seen it not work. |
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Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | Well, we did it yesterday. Today I called the horses owner, she said he was a different horse. He still has problems to be addressed, but the aggressive dangerous behavior was gone today.
Fingers crossed sed he stays this way. |
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