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Location: MO | I would def check ulcers like above poster said. They can really sour one's attitude from a nice laid back easy going horse to an uncomfortable monster. Mine did the same thing you were describing and that was what was going on. I sold him to a girl that put him through a month of crap (to say it nicely) and when a new lady bought him, had him checked, treated him for ulcers and had him chiro's... completly new horse.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | GLP - 2016-05-09 2:13 PM
oija - 2016-05-09 1:39 PM
ACEINTHEHOLE - 2016-05-09 12:13 PM
"CLEAN" does not mean pain free!!!! Just because a horse xrays clean, does not mean they don't get sore. Honestly, 2 times a year is pretty common for horses that run a moderate to heavy schedule.
Yup. My filly has clean looking hocks. Xrays are also very clean. She had gotten bad enough inflammation that when we did inject with IRAP the vets hand was full of bloody fluid. We put her on rest 6 months and a regular schedule with the IRAP and occasional steroid injections. If we are not staying on top of it her joint fluid reflects this. Probably need to xray again just in case but she has been xrayed once to twice a year for the last three. Still clean. You can't always 'see' it. It may be soft tissue issues that won't show up to the eye or on xray.
What causes the bloody fluid? Is the soft tissue inflammation a cause or an indication of some other underlying cause?
It has got to be something soft tissue or maybe cartilage related that xrays, flexion tests, and just looking at them does not show. Maybe something related to growing pains that aren't related to her growth plates. They are closed. My trainer says she is much more supple with the injections. I am glad that she is a trooper and will even work through pain. When we think its bad enough, she gets rest, even if she isn't limping. We use a multiprong approach too. She even has a magnetic blanket and I have tried to keep her feed from having anything that would contribute to inflammation.
ETA: she has never limped. She has been weaker in the hind, letting her butt get out from under her, etc. But never limped. We try to stay on top of it better than that.
And my husband and I have had one with a hock infection, not from injections but a fracture. We do know what the infection looks like and its long term effects. That horse will always be a pasture ornament. We are lucky he even lived. But I am not going to let my filly bleed into her hocks when I can make her comfortable. I just try to be as conservative as I can.
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| oija - 2016-05-09 2:35 PM
GLP - 2016-05-09 2:13 PM
oija - 2016-05-09 1:39 PM
ACEINTHEHOLE - 2016-05-09 12:13 PM
"CLEAN" does not mean pain free!!!! Just because a horse xrays clean, does not mean they don't get sore. Honestly, 2 times a year is pretty common for horses that run a moderate to heavy schedule.
Yup. My filly has clean looking hocks. Xrays are also very clean. She had gotten bad enough inflammation that when we did inject with IRAP the vets hand was full of bloody fluid. We put her on rest 6 months and a regular schedule with the IRAP and occasional steroid injections. If we are not staying on top of it her joint fluid reflects this. Probably need to xray again just in case but she has been xrayed once to twice a year for the last three. Still clean. You can't always 'see' it. It may be soft tissue issues that won't show up to the eye or on xray.
What causes the bloody fluid? Is the soft tissue inflammation a cause or an indication of some other underlying cause?
It has got to be something soft tissue or maybe cartilage related that xrays, flexion tests, and just looking at them does not show. Maybe something related to growing pains that aren't related to her growth plates. They are closed. My trainer says she is much more supple with the injections. I am glad that she is a trooper and will even work through pain. When we think its bad enough, she gets rest, even if she isn't limping. We use a multiprong approach too. She even has a magnetic blanket and I have tried to keep her feed from having anything that would contribute to inflammation.
ETA: she has never limped. She has been weaker in the hind, letting her butt get out from under her, etc. But never limped. We try to stay on top of it better than that.
And my husband and I have had one with a hock infection, not from injections but a fracture. We do know what the infection looks like and its long term effects. That horse will always be a pasture ornament. We are lucky he even lived. But I am not going to let my filly bleed into her hocks when I can make her comfortable. I just try to be as conservative as I can.
I won't ride my horse if he is in pain either. I am thankful Adequan and Cur Ost Pure have taken care of his discomfort/pain. Joints are a tricky problem. | |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | Has anything changed with his feed? Does he have access to hay 24/7? Horses produce acid all the time, which you may already know. Due to this unless on forage 24/7 they are very prone to ulcers and horses all react differently. I would look back and see what changes have been made with the horse since you brought him home. I also feed an all natural diet of oats, flax and Cur-Ost. My horses have grass hay 24/7 and I also supplement with alfalfa when working them. | |
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| I would be doing flexion tests, then a nerve block and identify where the problem is. Then if X-rays have already been done, I would ultrasound to rule out soft tissue.
There would be so many problems.
Contracted heels, too small of shoes
Front end problems, navicular, arthritis can make them off in the hind end
Have you had chiro?
Kissing spine
sI joint
I have done injections as a preventative thing, not all injections are bad, it all depends on what you inject.
Previcoxx there are long term adverse effects, as it is a no steroidal ant inflammatory, it will mask problems.
I would be looking at pentospan, glucosamine IV, polyglycan | |
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