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| HI, so not sure what is happening at my place but have had minor issues all winter then things got very serious. We have bought hay from the same supplier all winter but got a load of hay of a different field about 2 weeks ago. This is all round up ready alfalfa which I typically stay away from just a personal preference. In the last two weeks I have had no less than 10 minor colics not serious just gassy, one horse had severe cramping in her muscles and took me about an hour to get her comfortable, I lost a mare a week into feeding the hay but though it was a foaling related issue now not sure, and Saturday I had a yearling filly throwing her self to the ground in such pain I gave banamine and waited on the vet we had to sedate her. She had so much gas and so much gastric distress. The only common thing is hay and water supply, we changed hay and changed my source for water . I have been two days not and so far everyone is doing good, I had noticed that the horses were not always cleaning up hay really good but eventually would and the two yearling fillies would eat and hour or so and lay down so I had been keeping an eye on them anyhow wondering what was up. I know horses have ate round up ready alfalfa for a long time but I am really wondering if there is some link to it, we have had a lot of rain the last several weeks to but looking back I have been having these minor colic issue through the winter. All horses have salt and always have water, these are never impaction colics but excessive gas and over active gut. So tell me have any of you done any research into GMO alfalfa. We are sending in hay, water and soil samples this week to rule out what we can. I have had a terrible couple of weeks with the horses, we also had a mare who had peritonitis in March and no real cause for it that the vet could find. Sorry for the ramble but I have actually lost two horses during this time (one was an old horse no surprise just bad timing) my wonderful mare that I now have a bottle baby and nearly lost on the other day I am just at the end of my rope and looking for any insight or ideas on what to look for . Thanks |
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Location: Where I am happiest | No words of advice or wisdome but wanted to let you know your in my thoughts and prayers. I'm so sorry this is happening. Please keep us posted on what you find out. |
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| So sorry, hope everyone continues to improve. |
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Location: Florida | You fed your horses round up, a deadly pesticide. That is the point of Monsato's Round Up ready GMO seeds. The genetically modified is not what kills them, it is the pesticide. Stop feeding it right away. And good luck. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Scary...https://aprilreeveshorsetraining.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/horses-dont-eat-genetically-modified-hay-alfalfa/ |
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| I know it has round up and being GMO is why it is has round up. I have stopped feeding it we normally never buy round up ready feed but due to some financial issues I had to buy hay from someone who produces it. I am more curious as to if anyone has had these issues from it, my vet feeds the same hay as do probably 50 other horse owners in our valley . I am looking for information to help convince others, my vet , the hay guy ect. Trust me I regret having to buy it this year. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I really don't think that it takes a rocket scientist to tell you that your troubles started exactly at the time you changed hay.....take them off of that hay (no matter what the cost) for several weeks and see what happens. Additionally, just because other horses can tolerate the "round-up" hay, your supplier may (or may not) have spread it heavier or your horses can't tolerate it. |
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| NJJ - 2016-05-30 2:51 PM
I really don't think that it takes a rocket scientist to tell you that your troubles started exactly at the time you changed hay.....take them off of that hay (no matter what the cost) for several weeks and see what happens. Additionally, just because other horses can tolerate the "round-up" hay, your supplier may (or may not) have spread it heavier or your horses can't tolerate it.
They have been off to days and already better . I never wanted to feed it but by the time I could buy hay most suppliers were out our local hay has been shipping out of state . I can't find hay now luckily I had friends step up and give me their extra hay until hay starts getting put up. |
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| We have fed both round-up ready alfalfa and different varieties. We have never had issues from either. Round-up ready may be sprayed with round-up, but other varieties are also going to be sprayed with other chemicals. I'm not going to say that it's not your alfalfa, because if that's the commonality with the onset of symptoms it is likely related to the hay. However, I don't think it's the variety of alfalfa that is creating the issues. |
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Location: Florida.. | Blister Beetles can cause that |
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Location: Mountains of VA | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-30 6:32 PM Blister Beetles can cause that
This ^^^ Blister beetles get my vote not the round up ready alfalfa. Could also be that the alfalfa hay was more rich than the last hay you fed but my vote is still on the blister beetles. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hotpaints - 2016-05-30 7:13 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-30 6:32 PM Blister Beetles can cause that This ^^^ Blister beetles get my vote not the round up ready alfalfa. Could also be that the alfalfa hay was more rich than the last hay you fed but my vote is still on the blister beetles.
If it was blister beetles, they would be a LOT sicker and would not be improving in two days without the hay. Additionally, surely the vet would have checked their mouths and taken blood samples? |
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| The more you read of this wiki report the more you distrust any of the tests that were run ........ looks like everyone was paid off to write the same trash on how great bt seeds are and very deceptive in their analysis ..........
No reports were allowed that would define any bad affects from these GMO seeds and crops .... which IMO makes this GMO bt seed very dangerous to our total world environment ... and they used federal judges to justify there was no harm being done .... how many judges have a degree in micro-biology?? Yet they up hold the use of GMO seeds for this huge company .. even preventing the GMO labeling on foods for humans ...
They slipped up on the very last portion ... read this carefully .. or are they just covering their butts ??
Beta-exotoxins[edit]
Some isolates of B. thuringiensis produce a class of insecticidal small molecules called beta-exotoxin, the common name for which is thuringiensin.[98] A consensus document produced by the OECD says: "Beta-exotoxin and the other Bacillus toxins may contribute to the insecticidal toxicity of the bacterium to lepidopteran, dipteran, and coleopteran insects. Beta-exotoxin is known to be toxic to humans and almost all other forms of life and its presence is prohibited in B. thuringiensis microbial products. Engineering of plants to contain and express only the genes for d-endotoxins avoids the problem of assessing the risks posed by these other toxins that may be produced in microbial preparations
Here is the entire portion on BACILLUS THURINGIENSIS ....The more you read makes you doubt all the portions of the above writings ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis#Mechanism_of_in...
also don't forget ... alfalfa growers are also spraying cuttings with anti mold and also crap used to make it keep it's green color ....
I would say you are dealing with some toxin that is toxic to your horses and they are dealing with toxicity which conforms to your gaseous episodes with your horses ... I would guess due to your locality and the use of GMO for years it has built up in the horses bodies to the point of killing them. Like an overdose druggies end up doing ...
The rest of us in distant localities should be on alert and exercise caution of buying from a GMO grower // products...
IMO this is even a greater reason to destroy the EPA AGENCY along with MONSANTO ... every time man screws with something they will not admit to having a million side affects ....
the ads on TV for human medications with 3 seconds for the good part to 57 seconds of the bad affects scare the crap out of me ........ |
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2016-05-30 8:35 PM hotpaints - 2016-05-30 7:13 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-30 6:32 PM Blister Beetles can cause that This ^^^ Blister beetles get my vote not the round up ready alfalfa. Could also be that the alfalfa hay was more rich than the last hay you fed but my vote is still on the blister beetles.
depends ... and who knows if vet did that.. |
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| NJJ - 2016-05-30 7:35 PM
hotpaints - 2016-05-30 7:13 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-30 6:32 PM Blister Beetles can cause that This ^^^ Blister beetles get my vote not the round up ready alfalfa. Could also be that the alfalfa hay was more rich than the last hay you fed but my vote is still on the blister beetles.
We actually do not have blister beetles here so wasn't a consideration . I did have a horse blister her mouth last year when next to a field that was sprayed with round up . I have seen some reports of horses with burned lips and mouths from round up exposure. I am not sure just kind of grasping at straws I do know they will not be finishing up the remaining hay I have. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-30 7:42 PM
The more you read of this wiki report the more you distrust any of the tests that were run ........ looks like everyone was paid off to write the same trash on how great bt seeds are and very deceptive in their analysis ..........
No reports were allowed that would define any bad affects from these GMO seeds and crops .... which IMO makes this GMO bt seed very dangerous to our total world environment ... and they used federal judges to justify there was no harm being done .... how many judges have a degree in micro-biology?? Yet they up hold the use of GMO seeds for this huge company .. even preventing the GMO labeling on foods for humans ...
They slipped up on the very last portion ... read this carefully .. or are they just covering their butts ??
Beta-exotoxins[edit]
Some isolates of B. thuringiensis produce a class of insecticidal small molecules called beta-exotoxin, the common name for which is thuringiensin.[98] A consensus document produced by the OECD says: "Beta-exotoxin and the other Bacillus toxins may contribute to the insecticidal toxicity of the bacterium to lepidopteran, dipteran, and coleopteran insects. Beta-exotoxin is known to be toxic to humans and almost all other forms of life and its presence is prohibited in B. thuringiensis microbial products. Engineering of plants to contain and express only the genes for d-endotoxins avoids the problem of assessing the risks posed by these other toxins that may be produced in microbial preparations
Here is the entire portion on BACILLUS THURINGIENSIS ....The more you read makes you doubt all the portions of the above writings ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis#Mechanism_of_in...
also don't forget ... alfalfa growers are also spraying cuttings with anti mold and also crap used to make it keep it's green color ....
I would say you are dealing with some toxin that is toxic to your horses and they are dealing with toxicity which conforms to your gaseous episodes with your horses ... I would guess due to your locality and the use of GMO for years it has built up in the horses bodies to the point of killing them. Like an overdose druggies end up doing ...
The rest of us in distant localities should be on alert and exercise caution of buying from a GMO grower // products...
IMO this is even a greater reason to destroy the EPA AGENCY along with MONSANTO ... every time man screws with something they will not admit to having a million side affects ....
the ads on TV for human medications with 3 seconds for the good part to 57 seconds of the bad affects scare the crap out of me ........
I have 25 horses here and started feeding from this prouducer in Nov when I look back I started having some minor issue but they were not as close together and you could kind of blame it on other things but in the back of my mind I kept thinking hay. We have tried very hard to stay away from this type of alfalfa but we committed to this hay and asked questions later . I guess my horses have just become overly sensitive to what ever it is. I appreciate he information you shared I am usually so careful with the horses and I just let this one go by me but never again. |
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| maybe to much nitrogen. a long time age i got some beautiful hay no chemicals when he bailed. horses did not eat that good, someone told me maybe too much nitrogen. |
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| daisycake123 - 2016-05-30 8:48 PM
maybe to much nitrogen. a long time age i got some beautiful hay no chemicals when he bailed. horses did not eat that good, someone told me maybe too much nitrogen.
We are actually checking the water for nitrogen as well because of all our rain and everyone fertilizing and spraying around us could have residue washing down into our mainline. I am sending hay in to test and see if they find anything at all. It is weird what ever it is. I appreciate the idea. |
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