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| daisycake123 - 2016-07-23 7:36 PM
i second epm. dr. ellerson in florida. i went to my dog vet and got the blood test tubes and sent it to her. she sent me a treatment. horse did great low level disease. please read up on this
I don't understand how the vet in Florida allowed you to do this. She only worked through my vet, he had to sign the forms and send the blood, then had to authorize the medication to be sent. Do you have details? |
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| I'm not sure if this will help, but I have 3 different experiences that may shed some light.
1) I had a gelding that had definite bilateral degeneration in his navicular bones. We managed him the best we could and eventually turned him out. He best thing that worked for him was a bar shoe and some pain meds a few days before/after a run. We injected the bursas and such but they didn't help him for long
2) A few years later my main rodeo horse came up sore and it seemed to be the same "walking on egg shells" type sore. I had him x-rayed, ultra-sounded, injected, rested him, the list goes on. Eventually we had an MRI done and there weren't really any changes. Talk about FRUSTRATED!! He was completely sound everywhere else. I do have a great farrier, he does A LOT of corrective/rehab work and after a long talk with him and an OK from the vet, we put wedge shoes on him. He went back to being a 1D horse and even went the NHSRF in the goats (a girl bought him from me and used him for all around).
3) A barn I worked at had a very high priority brood mare and she horrible trouble with her front feet. I hauled her all over the state (Texas) to different specialists to try to figure out what made her sore. She didn't have degeneration, didn't have rotation, no soft tissue issues.....but her feet grew uneven, which put pressure on everything in the wrong way. We ended up putting her on a diet (she could look at grass and gain weight) called our super farrier and he was able to manage her. Eventually she was nerved so she could be totally comfortable but we still used the same farrier to keep her angles even.
These are all specific cases that had horses who presented the same but had completely different issues. I wanted to post to tell you that sometimes there isn't an exact injury or reason, but if you are using a good vet and farrier, you may be able to figure out a solution. Like with the 2nd case. We still don't know what the exact reason was that he got sore, but we found the solution. MRI's can be super expensive if you don't have insurance, but they do show things that x-rays and ultra sounds don't. With the 1st and 3rd case we decided we didn't need to go that far bc the horses' main careers were over at that point. There are a million tests you can do, you can always visit with your vet about options and experience he has had with said tests.
Good Luck with your boy!! |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I would x ray the back for kissing spine. Its causes a lot of problems and has a lot of different symptoms. I speak from experience...lol |
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Location: Florida.. | classicpotatochip - 2016-07-25 9:54 AM daisycake123 - 2016-07-23 7:36 PM i second epm. dr. ellerson in florida. i went to my dog vet and got the blood test tubes and sent it to her. she sent me a treatment. horse did great low level disease. please read up on this I don't understand how the vet in Florida allowed you to do this. She only worked through my vet, he had to sign the forms and send the blood, then had to authorize the medication to be sent. Do you have details?
your dog vet? |
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Location: Canada | Okay so you blocked the front feet but have you done a complete flexion test and lameness evaluation? If your horse is still lame and he's being blocked out then either they didn't inject correctly (possible but unlikely) or the issue is higher up such as a shoulder injury.
If your horse is "out" in every place possible then something is wrong and he should be coming up lame somewhere in a lameness evaluation. Time to get a good vet out and go over everything and find the source of your problem or at least eliminate what it's not.
I'd stop with the chiropractor until you know what is causing the problem and instead put that money towards getting a good overall lameness evaluation. The chiropractor could be either helping to mask the problem, or making it worse so get the vet first and them second.
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Location: Wyoming | I would try a good magnesium supplement. Mag deficiency can cause many major issues. I know that there was a post on here about it recently so you can probably do a search and find it |
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Location: Canada | We did the flexion tests, blocking tests a year and a half ago and then did the cortisone shots about 6 months after to just give it a try and it did not work. We also always put our horses on magnesium during the winter.
We are going to do an X-ray on his spine and SI joint as well as maybe neck. I am also going to look up more on kissing spine. I am also going to put bar shoes with a wedge back on that we had on about 2 years ago which did help a bit if I wasn't riding him. If he is still sore after all of that and nothing shows on the X-rays I am going to go ahead and put him back on previcox as that did help him as well if I wasn't riding. I miss running him so much but that is seeming like another life now  I am also thinking maybe it is somewhere in his shoulder because the chiro did say he was awfully tight in the shoulder on the side he was lame in, which I forgot to mention. But again he could have been compensating for somewhere else. Wish horses could just talk sometimes haha.
Thanks again everyone. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | The golden standard for feet issues is an MRI, I suggest you take her to a University with a 3 tesla scanner. Then go from there with the findings build a plan of treatment or turnout or career change.
Let me warn you as I've been down this road in the past (I have the T-shirt!) you can spend thousands on awesome diagnostics and proceed with several avenues of treatment and come out the other end with a horse that's still not sound enough to ride. Sometimes, its just better to cut your loss and buy a new horse or pickup for transportation. |
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Location: Canada | SO, I have an update and hopefully some people see this and have anymore suggestions or similar stories to help. Last week Digger became more lame and could barely walk. I took him to the vet and she did the blocking test, which he became almost sound! So she did some X-rays and everything looked very good. Now she thinks its a tendon inside the hoof wall that is bothering him. The only way to truly tell is through an MRI which is too pricey for me. So she suggested some medicine which will increase blood flow to that foot. He is now also back on bar shoes and hopefully next farrier appointment we will put wedges on as well. Has anyone else had a horse who suffered from the tendon under the hoof wall? If so what did you do to heal it? He has had 3 years off of NO riding, but has been running around in the pasture with other horses. I know many people suggest a year of stall rest, but that isn't an option for me. Anything is appreciated! Thanks. |
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Location: Canada | Also, do you think cold hosing could help? Even if the issue is under the hoof wall? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Haven't read all the replies but this article is great:
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/378-why-is-my-horse-always-lame-solving-the-mystery |
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| i do work for my dog vet and she gave the tubes and i drew it and sent to her. my local vet autorizrd the rx. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Kissing spine? |
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