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| It seems like these days finding a quality barrel prospect is near impossible if you don't want to spend a small fortune. I have been looking all year for a nice little prospect that has had a minimum of 15 rides, and I haven't found anything within my price range, and when I do it's on the other side of the country. So is it more economical these days to just buy a broodmare and breed your own prospect?? |
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Location: Kansas | IowaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 2:36 PM It seems like these days finding a quality barrel prospect is near impossible if you don't want to spend a small fortune. I have been looking all year for a nice little prospect that has had a minimum of 15 rides, and I haven't found anything within my price range, and when I do it's on the other side of the country. So is it more economical these days to just buy a broodmare and breed your own prospect??
Definitely not LOL |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I really think we are now seeing the affects of breeders limiting what they bred...the horse market is just now what it used to be. You cannot really find any "steals" anymore. I'm always on the look out, finding them is tough! I'm also in the midwest. Breeders got more selective, bred nicer stock and more money invested so more money to purchase. |
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| I think it depends on what your price range is. Depending on which sire you're looking for, I would say an average stud fee is in the $1,000-$1,500 range, then you have shipping which seems to range from $200-$300 or possibly higher, vet fees to breed the mare, a year's worth of mare care, then foal care for 2 years until they're ready to start under saddle. And you have to take into consideration the cost of the broodmare. There are a lot of variables when it comes to raising a foal, so it's difficult to say an exact expense, but definitely some numbers to consider when you're comparing the cost of raising one to buying one. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What kind of money are you wanting to spend on a prospect? I have seen some really nice ones on here at a decent price, thats bred pretty good. |
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| IowaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 2:36 PM
It seems like these days finding a quality barrel prospect is near impossible if you don't want to spend a small fortune. I have been looking all year for a nice little prospect that has had a minimum of 15 rides, and I haven't found anything within my price range, and when I do it's on the other side of the country. So is it more economical these days to just buy a broodmare and breed your own prospect??
Ha. Ha ha. Noooo.
Save your pennies and get something you can vet check, step on and go to the barrel pattern. You're way better off and that's still a huge gamble. |
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| I am doing just that. I have one of my old barrel horses that got injured. I am breeding her for my own prospect. She has great papers and any other prospects I look at that are just decently bred, they are double where id feel comfortable spending on one. So because I already have the broodmare I think it is more economical. If I didn't already have her, not so sure it would be. |
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| Totally depends on what you're looking for, your budget, and how picky you are going to be on age, rides, color, sex, exact lines etc.
If you're looking for an own son of $2000 stud fee out of great mare line with less than 30 rides who is 26 mos old and chestnut - $5000 would probably be a steal and I'd wonder why he was priced relatively cheap.
I would say though you're probably looking for too green broke at only 15 rides - I don't know that anyone is going to advertise to sell at 15 rides vs go ahead and keep them for 30-90 days and have a much broader audience of folks who want something with a more solid foundation on them, plus it does their reputation better to sell solidly green broke horses vs barely broke and have the horse earn a bad reputation. The market between not broke and 30 days is probably going to be pretty slim. Have you looked for unbroke with plans to send him/her off for starting? |
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| I didn't communicate that very clearly, what I'm looking for exactly is a gelding with 30 days of riding, 3-6 years old, but I would be willing to buy something a little greener. I don't need fancy papers, just solid conformation and decent papers.
Thank you for all the feedback regarding a broodmare and starting from scratch. I think I'll just keep looking, haha.
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Location: Nebraska | there are all sorts of production sales in the fall might be able to find something at one of those. |
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Location: California | I have had some awesome luck with a few OTTB. They seem to be pretty easy to find at a reasonable price. The ones I have had only raced a few times and retired sound. They are IMO green broke. I'm not sure others experiences but I have gone that route and been happy so far. |
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| No, breeding is really only cost effective if you can do it large scale. Its a tough thing to do. Why don't you buy a yearling? By then, you can pretty much tell what they will look like confirmation wise, and then send them to your favorite trainer to start once they are old enough. I agree, there are a lot of production sales this time of year. I always see really nice horses that sold cheaper than the average. You just have to be there to catch them! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pDs6ppOgY If you are not dead set on the popular barrel racing bloodlines, an off the track QH would be just what you are looking for. So many people pass these by because they are worried about them not riding good enough for the average person to go on with or they are afraid they would be hot or silly. This is my 3 year old filly OTT, first time I have ever been on her, first ride after coming off the track, still in her race bridle and race plates.
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| I've done it both ways and honestly would rather spend the money upfront and buy a weanling or yearling. A lot of $$$ goes in behind the scenes when you're breeding a mare and then if it doesn't turn out how you want it, it's a big disappointment and you're not going to make your money back. I'd rather pick something out that fits my program and what I need rather than hope for the best. BUT then nothing warms the cockles of my heart like seeing a baby I planned succeed! |
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Location: Texas | Cheaper? usually not. Rewarding? Can be. When you get exactly what you want from a potential mating, it is the best feeling in the world. But when it comes out a colt and you were set on a filly, it can be disappointing. So, it really depends on what your expectations are.
I'm just now riding the oldest batch of babies we have kept. They are 2 year olds so this is 3 years in the making. If I were to buy them now, with them broke and riding nicely the way they are, it would have been probably a little cheaper to have done it the way we did and bred them. But, all that money is really just spread over 3 years instead of 10-15k at once. And, I've waited 2 years to get on their backs. Would I change it? Absolutely not. The palomino filly was exactly what I wanted, with the exact pedigree I wanted, exact gender, pretty much exact conformation, and she was the right color for icing on the cake. The other 2YO we have we absolutely love to death, would have liked it if he were a she, but we were keeping it no matter what.
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| IowaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 6:30 PM
I didn't communicate that very clearly, what I'm looking for exactly is a gelding with 30 days of riding, 3-6 years old, but I would be willing to buy something a little greener. I don't need fancy papers, just solid conformation and decent papers.
Thank you for all the feedback regarding a broodmare and starting from scratch. I think I'll just keep looking, haha.
Have you tried talking to some of the colt starters and trainers inside your travel range so they know to call you if they get that in?
PM me if you want the names id be contacting |
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Location: Where I am happiest | What is the price range your shopping in? There is a grey Fiestas Gotta Gun on here with about 10 rides on him for under $5000. He's in Minnesota. We were really looking at that colt but finding hauling from there to the west was impossible. You cant raise one like that for that price even if you just paid $1000 stud fee. And by buying one, you KNOW what you are getting because you get to pick it out! Breeding one, while fun at times you get what you get. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | ThreeCorners - 2016-08-20 3:11 PM What is the price range your shopping in? There is a grey Fiestas Gotta Gun on here with about 10 rides on him for under $5000. He's in Minnesota. We were really looking at that colt but finding hauling from there to the west was impossible. You cant raise one like that for that price even if you just paid $1000 stud fee. And by buying one, you KNOW what you are getting because you get to pick it out! Breeding one, while fun at times you get what you get.
I'm so having to play those cards right now with my two year olds. If I were buying I would pass on all three of them, they each have a flaw that I could walk away from.
This group of three will be the last that I will probably do from start to finish. I just hope that God has a handy colt in the bunch for me.
They were expensive to get here and I'm not sure unless they follow in their mothers footsteps as 1D/2D horses if I could get my money out of them. I will break all of them to be solid kid horses and hope that they can be good enough to sell to HS/college level. They are all by top stallions in the industry but with their conformation flaws I would't expect people to pay me the 2.5-3 times the stallion fee on them. |
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| if you watch bhw every day there are nice horses underpriced like that. there where several like 4 year olds patterend decent blood lines under 5k. they might be further along than you wanted. but deals will not stay deals long.
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| If someone has a young horse advertised for $5000 You can be sure that they have close to that amount in the horse. I have been trying to get a baby for three years. Every time that mare does not breed it costs another $350 to ship and $350 at the vet. That does not include the stud fee. My mare had filly a year ago and it lived about 5 hours. It was just a crazy year for breeding and foaling. I have over $4000 invested and no baby yet. So I am still looking at another 3 years or so before I have one that I can ride If you are looking for a prospect that you can ride now, forget about raising you own. Over all it is not cost effective |
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