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Location: ARKANSAS | OMG!!!!! I thought selling a horse was difficult with dealing with all the tire kickers and such, but trying to buy one is even HARDER!!! I have a boarder that is 12 years old, her horse is 18 years old and for some reason just all of a sudden started refuseing the alleyway,( have treated for ulcers, have injected hocks, stifles and right front ankle.) At home IF you ride with another horse he is fine but hes gotten buddy sour and does not want to ride away alone... hence our search for another barrel horse for her to compete on... it MUST be a gelding!!! WELLL there are 999999 million MARES out there that are PERFECT but they are MARES!!!! then when you DO find a gelding and the price is within the parents price range he is in tim buck too...and way to far off to try him...UGHHHHH its impossible!!!! If its close enough to try, and the price is below 5000, and everything looks good, then you read, he over 20 years old or less than 3 years old..neither of which WILL DO!!!! WOW hope this gets easier, cause right now it sure is frustrating...now i know why i always trained my OWN!!! | |
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Location: somewhere in the south | I feel your pain! I am looking also and trying to try, buy or trade and there are no geldings that are priced around that unless you go "older"...............so frustrating!! I have one that will run but I can't stay with him and need something a tad slower but still semi automatic ...............I just hate the looking process as well!!! I don't understand how people can afford these horses that are priced so high!! | |
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| I have noticed the same in my light search for a prospect - and I don't even want something started on the pattern, just broke and going well. Super light searching, just Facebook browsing.
Idk if folks who do resale/training/selling generally want mares because of the breeding side but there is a huge market around here for good geldings. A few folks are starting to fill it and specialize in geldings. | |
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| ladyelbert - 2016-08-27 12:38 PM
OMG!!!!! I thought selling a horse was difficult with dealing with all the tire kickers and such, but trying to buy one is even HARDER!!! I have a boarder that is 12 years old, her horse is 18 years old and for some reason just all of a sudden started refuseing the alleyway,( have treated for ulcers, have injected hocks, stifles and right front ankle.) At home IF you ride with another horse he is fine but hes gotten buddy sour and does not want to ride away alone... hence our search for another barrel horse for her to compete on... it MUST be a gelding!!! WELLL there are 999999 million MARES out there that are PERFECT but they are MARES!!!! then when you DO find a gelding and the price is within the parents price range he is in tim buck too...and way to far off to try him...UGHHHHH its impossible!!!! If its close enough to try, and the price is below 5000, and everything looks good, then you read, he over 20 years old or less than 3 years old..neither of which WILL DO!!!! WOW hope this gets easier, cause right now it sure is frustrating...now i know why i always trained my OWN!!!
It sounds like they may be looking outside of their price range. Supply, demand if there are a lot of mares in your area, then the geldings will be valued more.
You say some horses are too far away, why not fly to where the horse is and try it out?
If people are serious about buying a horse NOW, they will travel anywhere to try one out.
If people can afford to wait, they may find that "unicorn" that matches the list perfectly, it may take a few years to find it, or a few months, it is fate. | |
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Location: down south | OhMax - 2016-08-28 9:16 AM
I have noticed the same in my light search for a prospect - and I don't even want something started on the pattern, just broke and going well. Super light searching, just Facebook browsing.
Idk if folks who do resale/training/selling generally want mares because of the breeding side but there is a huge market around here for good geldings. A few folks are starting to fill it and specialize in geldings.
I'm looking for something well bred and not started too. I truly feel your pain. We even prefer a mare, but want a good sound one under $7,500. What we thought would be easy and fun has turned out to be frustrating. We've now switched our search to a yearling which isn't what we were looking for due to time. Good luck! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | A finished horse for under $5000 is probably going to be old or have issues. If you're lucky you will find one that's been sitting and just needs legged up and tuned on, but that doesn't seem to happen very often. | |
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Location: ARKANSAS | The MOST frustrating part is that dang people dont know what HONESTY IS!!!!! We drove 3 1/2 hours to look at an 8 year old 2-d horse the ad said...it also said easy to catch, anyone could ride, they had done poles barrels flags, speed, parade, drill, you name it this horse had done it...SOOOO we get there...we had instructed them DO NOT HAVE CAUGHT....owner goes out to catch and yep you guessed it...its hard to catch...THEN she goes to saddle up and i notice a massive scar on right hind, when i asked about it she said the vet told her he was sound which i would have had to seen xrays)...Then she puts a tie down on and folks i mean she put a TIE DOWN on...not a loose tie down...she gets on and walks the around and then hands him over to my client (which is 12 years old) and assures her he is not going to do anything....wellllllll she rides off and when she asked for a slow lope to try and lope him in circles, i seen him grab that bit in his teeth and ran full force back to the barn...i looked at the owner and told her thank you for your time but we are NOT INTERESTED!!!!! then we drove 3 1/2 hours back home!!!! | |
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| ladyelbert - 2016-09-05 2:22 PM
The MOST frustrating part is that dang people dont know what HONESTY IS!!!!! We drove 3 1/2 hours to look at an 8 year old 2-d horse the ad said...it also said easy to catch, anyone could ride, they had done poles barrels flags, speed, parade, drill, you name it this horse had done it...SOOOO we get there...we had instructed them DO NOT HAVE CAUGHT....owner goes out to catch and yep you guessed it...its hard to catch...THEN she goes to saddle up and i notice a massive scar on right hind, when i asked about it she said the vet told her he was sound which i would have had to seen xrays)...Then she puts a tie down on and folks i mean she put a TIE DOWN on...not a loose tie down...she gets on and walks the around and then hands him over to my client (which is 12 years old) and assures her he is not going to do anything....wellllllll she rides off and when she asked for a slow lope to try and lope him in circles, i seen him grab that bit in his teeth and ran full force back to the barn...i looked at the owner and told her thank you for your time but we are NOT INTERESTED!!!!! then we drove 3 1/2 hours back home!!!!Â
Problem is you are looking for a 10k horse priced as a 5k horse.
Tie downs some people tie them tight on all horses
Horse hard to catch, yep I had one the other day make a liar out of me, never ever hard to catch till someone came to look at her.
As for running back to the barn, again you are looking at a horse priced low, they are not going to be perfect. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | ladyelbert - 2016-09-05 2:22 PM
The MOST frustrating part is that dang people dont know what HONESTY IS!!!!! We drove 3 1/2 hours to look at an 8 year old 2-d horse the ad said...it also said easy to catch, anyone could ride, they had done poles barrels flags, speed, parade, drill, you name it this horse had done it...SOOOO we get there...we had instructed them DO NOT HAVE CAUGHT....owner goes out to catch and yep you guessed it...its hard to catch...THEN she goes to saddle up and i notice a massive scar on right hind, when i asked about it she said the vet told her he was sound which i would have had to seen xrays)...Then she puts a tie down on and folks i mean she put a TIE DOWN on...not a loose tie down...she gets on and walks the around and then hands him over to my client (which is 12 years old) and assures her he is not going to do anything....wellllllll she rides off and when she asked for a slow lope to try and lope him in circles, i seen him grab that bit in his teeth and ran full force back to the barn...i looked at the owner and told her thank you for your time but we are NOT INTERESTED!!!!! then we drove 3 1/2 hours back home!!!!Â
It's because of your price range. As stated earlier, you cannot find anything in that price range that doesn't need a ton of vet work or has issues. That's why it was priced like it was. I have one that would be perfect and I'll be honest with you, but it's priced triple what her price range is. The link to his ad is in my signature. There is no way I could replace him for what these people are wanting to spend. He's quiet, sound and sane, and can run 1D/2D with an aggressive youth rider or gear down for a timid one. I paid a lot more than $5K for him and he wouldn't be for sale if I wasn't downsizing getting ready for a move. You hear people tell about these cheap horses they bought that turned out to be winners, but that was years ago or they bought them started and finished them out. Now, you can barely find one loping the pattern for under $5K. I know. I have been buying and selling for over 40 years, and I'm telling you....you need to tell her to save up some more money and THEN look for something else because in the price range they're looking at, it's either going to be 1) barely started on the barrels 2)have major issues or needs a ton of vet work or 3) be very old. And if it seems perfect in that price range, be ready for some major surprises when you get it home. JMO
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| dianeguinn - 2016-09-06 11:30 AM
ladyelbert - 2016-09-05 2:22 PM
The MOST frustrating part is that dang people dont know what HONESTY IS!!!!! We drove 3 1/2 hours to look at an 8 year old 2-d horse the ad said...it also said easy to catch, anyone could ride, they had done poles barrels flags, speed, parade, drill, you name it this horse had done it...SOOOO we get there...we had instructed them DO NOT HAVE CAUGHT....owner goes out to catch and yep you guessed it...its hard to catch...THEN she goes to saddle up and i notice a massive scar on right hind, when i asked about it she said the vet told her he was sound which i would have had to seen xrays)...Then she puts a tie down on and folks i mean she put a TIE DOWN on...not a loose tie down...she gets on and walks the around and then hands him over to my client (which is 12 years old) and assures her he is not going to do anything....wellllllll she rides off and when she asked for a slow lope to try and lope him in circles, i seen him grab that bit in his teeth and ran full force back to the barn...i looked at the owner and told her thank you for your time but we are NOT INTERESTED!!!!! then we drove 3 1/2 hours back home!!!!Â
It's because of your price range. As stated earlier, you cannot find anything in that price range that doesn't need a ton of vet work or has issues. That's why it was priced like it was. I have one that would be perfect and I'll be honest with you, but it's priced triple what her price range is. The link to his ad is in my signature. There is no way I could replace him for what these people are wanting to spend. He's quiet, sound and sane, and can run 1D/2D with an aggressive youth rider or gear down for a timid one. I paid a lot more than $5K for him and he wouldn't be for sale if I wasn't downsizing getting ready for a move. You hear people tell about these cheap horses they bought that turned out to be winners, but that was years ago or they bought them started and finished them out. Now, you can barely find one loping the pattern for under $5K. I know. I have been buying and selling for over 40 years, and I'm telling you....you need to tell her to save up some more money and THEN look for something else because in the price range they're looking at, it's either going to be 1 ) barely started on the barrels 2 )have major issues or needs a ton of vet work or 3 ) be very old. And if it seems perfect in that price range, be ready for some major surprises when you get it home. JMO
Could not agree more. I have been looking for a prospect for years and have been very patient and looked at a lot. Couldn't agree more with Diane.
I feel your pain though, my budget is small and I am looking for my Unicorn.  | |
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Location: Mt | Interesting vent...
If your client has a $5K budget, sounds like they need to adjust their expectations to fit their budget. Maybe they are shopping over their budget. Everyone wants a 1D horse for 5K, just doesn't happen, and the ones you hear about, just don't happen either. Guaranteed those who have paid $6K for an NFR horse (ME), had to fix so much (like blood, sweat and tears so much), before he was that NFR horse....so yes, it's possible, but be prepared for vet work and fixing and make sure your capable (or your client) of doing both.
I just don't think you will ever find a solid 2D horse for under $5K. KEY WORD: SOLID . I have a really nice 10 year old gelding for sale, solid 2D/3D, priced at $15K and he is below the money in my opinion.
On the sellers side...please make sure you or your client can actually RIDE the horse your shopping for. Nothing more disappointing them someone coming to try a horse, because they want a 2D type horse, and they are a 4D type rider. There are ladder horses out there for that purpose, shop em, buy em and re sell them once your ready to move on!
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Location: Mt | speedinhoney - 2016-08-28 11:38 AM OhMax - 2016-08-28 9:16 AM I have noticed the same in my light search for a prospect - and I don't even want something started on the pattern, just broke and going well. Super light searching, just Facebook browsing. Idk if folks who do resale/training/selling generally want mares because of the breeding side but there is a huge market around here for good geldings. A few folks are starting to fill it and specialize in geldings. I'm looking for something well bred and not started too. I truly feel your pain. We even prefer a mare, but want a good sound one under $7,500. What we thought would be easy and fun has turned out to be frustrating. We've now switched our search to a yearling which isn't what we were looking for due to time. Good luck!
This is interesting to me too...I gave myself a memory shake not too long ago. I have been hauling my youngsters to races and ropings with me and man oh man, do I know realize WHY these colts are priced higher. Someone (me in this case) has put the time and effort in to hauling them, dealing with all the colt crap of pawing, nickering, tearing up my trailer (eating screens, pawing hubcaps off, nicks in the side from pawing etc), to get these colts ready for someone else to take and have fun with. In addition to filling up spots in the trailer, there is paying for stalls and shavings, oh yeah, and the new buckets I have to buy after the weekend because we have rubbed on them all night or chewed them right off their hinges. How about the new hay bags because we tore the straps right off the buckles playing with our neighbor horse......
Wow....no I remember why they are worth so much. LOLOLOLOL  Somebody shoot me now.....
Oh and I have colts for sale....
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