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| I have a horse that will get body sore. Not anything insane, like dropping to the ground, just, you can tell he's sore. He went to chiro/acupuncture today, its more through his back/hamstrings. he is sound, joint-wise. hock/stifles.
I'm curious on his magnesium levels after doing some reading and searching on here.
Do you test them through a blood sample? is a horse hair analysis beneficial in this case?
BUT he gets 8oz of flax seed, I grind it when I feed it, every single day. it has a good amount of magnesium in it. Would this not be enough, magnesium?
I need a nutritional expert. LOL.
I would say his immune system isn't the best in the world ? He got EPM in July when it got HOT. So maybe something like Lysine?
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| epm definitely will make them sore- also ulcers will make them back sore - it is overlooked a lot but I know this from personal experience, anytime my horse gets himself upset and we start to have ulcer issues he gets very body sore- since I have changed to rice bran pellets alfalfa pellets and molassess free beet pulp the ulcer issues have not reared their ugly head, I have done a lot of research about ulcers - dr. depaulo (horse hair analysis) has some good info on what to feed - basically no-- wheat , soy ,corn, oats, molasses and pretty much anything in a bag of feed causes ulcers to flair up - and in my experience I believe he is right, cause since I have changed my guy really has made some huge improvements- if you decide to do the rice bran or renew gold be sure you give alfalfa or calcium with it so you don't get your phos/calcium ratio off
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| I have been feeding renew gold and just started using horsepower herbs, they have a product for inflammation called flameproof i am currently using it and have noticed my horse is moving better he had sore feet, he has ems contact horsepower herbs |
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Location: NE Texas | Stress and inflammation, the roots of all evil in my opinion. Stress alone, whether it be from excessive heat, hauling, injury, living conditions, and anxiety, all create an inflammatory response in the brain. When this happens, it can allow some sleeping giants to rise up and cause issue, which would explain maybe why your guy had an epm episode when it got hot and stressed him.
I prefer a clean diet consisting of as little grain as possible combined with the best quality forage I can find. I feed a half scoop of whole oats with a cup of BOSS once daily and use the Cur-ost products mixed in. My horses get a flake of alfalfa twice a day and stay turned out the majority of the time. We don't have much grass, but at least they are out moseying around and grazing on something.
The Cur-ost products contain bcm-95 curcumin combined with other powerful anti-inflammatory herbs and packs a powerful punch in managing inflammation daily. The Total Support has been a great product for my crew and I no longer have the soreness issues I used to that I thought just went with performance horses. For a horse like yours, who seems to have an immune system that is not functioning like it needs to be, you can add in the Immune & Repair during times in which you feel he needs a bit more support or you seem some symptoms of the epm creeping in. May never need to, but I choose to add in the Immune & Repair for a month or two for my guys when I know they are experiencing a bit more stress due to heat and humidity and haven't had any issues since. :) |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Ulcers make my horse body sore, that is the first thing I noticed when my guys start having issues. You could send a CBC and Chemistry to THE and they can formulate a custom formula. They will let you know if there is anything else going on .  |
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| I treated him for ulcers, omeprazole and rantidine, in August. Because they say the protozoa can move through the stomach lining through an ulcer, I wanted to cover all my bases. Prior to the EPM, his ulcer points have always been clear. But, I wanted to be sure.
He was on Curost Total Support and Immune Repair from October until June when he got EPM, so.... I love CurOst, but it didn't fit into my program like I was hoping. I tried to Justify the cost by hoping for less vet bills and saw no change, so unfortunately, I had to make a change. I had another horse on the same program, and also got Curost adapt, and he got EPM also. I really agree with his mindset on how the program works. I do believe everything starts in the gut.
He only gets a handful of grain, literally a small coffee mug 2X a day, it is whole cleaned oats. it is just to mix in his supplements. He gets high quality forage, access 24/7 in slow feed hay nets :)
maybe it will just take time for his body to recover, from the EPM.
I appreciate the responses. Its always interesting to hear different opinions, helps you fill in the voids we may not think of ourselves! |
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| I've learned more about EPM than I ever wanted to. :(
Just don't stop treating your horse. I've had some very good vets tell me that the worst thing owners do is run one treatment of one medication and call it good.
Just switch up the meds and keep doing rounds for a while.
Also, run a full round of RVI. You won't be sorry. |
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| right! I have heard the same thing! I treated first round with diclazuril/levamisole/VitE. Then I treated with toltrazuril/DMSO mix. And its on Colloidal silver, for the relapse!
and I am thinking about giving Equistem shots before I haul to like a 3 day barrel race.
Heat had to be the stress that got him, because he wasn't even hauled but 3 times from mid March-mid June, to a barrel race.
I should add, CurOst has CHANGED MY LIFE. I dont' want it to sound like I had anything negative to say about it, it just didn't work on that horse. I used to be sick ALL THE TIME. I take the human ultimate and really haven't been "sick" since October of last year! It is crazy!!! |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Personally, I would keep doing what your doing but keep him on high doses of vit.E and check his selenium levels. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | My mare was out due to EPM for almost a year - also multie treatments.
She was also very body sore after she got better. I started her on magnesium and it made a huge difference on her. I even got me some magnesium. It's cheap so worth a try.
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| I caught his EPM early. no real mind boggling symptoms but a little lazy, front endy & body soreness.
I'd like to believe he's not fighting it still???
I believe the first thing on my list for monday is a blood test and hair sample. Just to see where he's at. Before I start anything additional. |
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| I wish I could attach the video of how body sore mine would get. Vet was thinking he had pssm so while in the process of testing I started making some changes that would be made if he was pssm positive. Turns out he was negative for type 1&2 but a feed with a low NSC made a huge difference! Vet had me add selenium & magnesium as well. He was already on vitamin e but today he is a totally different horse! |
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| Mine really isn't that bad..... He just flinches a little if you run a fingernail down his poll/neck/back/hip/hamstring.
I'm probably way over thinking this. BUT, I want to have all my T's crossed and I's dotted just in case. LOL.
I'm going to do a blood test & horse analysis just to see :) |
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