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Lyndsy91 Reg. Oct 2016	Posted 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Subject: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Member Posts: 10	Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience.
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2016-10-09 4:25 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	You mean by clicking that shes hitting her front feet with her back feet? If so this is called forging.. Edited by Southtxponygirl 2016-10-09 4:29 PM
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Buckles Reg. Feb 2010	Posted 2016-10-09 5:23 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Extreme Veteran Posts: 520	Her shoes hitting or do you mean her joints clicking?
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Lyndsy91 Reg. Oct 2016	Posted 2016-10-09 5:57 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Member Posts: 10	Sorry I guess I could have explained that better! Lol Yes shoe hitting the front shoe. I just looked up forging and it sounds very similar to what's happening thank you for the input! I've never been around, or ever even heard of this. Edited by Lyndsy91 2016-10-09 5:58 PM
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cheryl makofka Reg. Jan 2011	Posted 2016-10-09 8:18 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
The Advice Guru Posts: 6419	If she is hitting or over reaching then the farrier doesn't have her balanced. There are also some horses who need to be reset every 4 weeks instead of 6-8. My old guys was this way.
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rodeomom3 Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2016-10-09 8:22 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Shelter Dog Lover Posts: 10277	My horse is doing this too. I just had shoes put on one of my geldings, was barefoot, sore in his toes on the front. Vet said to put a wider eventing shoe on him. Made a run on him yesterday, worked great but I could hear his shoes hitting on both left turns, no pulled or bent shoes but has me concerned.
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BarrelRacing4Christ Reg. Sep 2010	Posted 2016-10-09 10:36 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Ms. Marine Posts: 4642 Location: Texas	She's forging. If she's only doing it every once and a great while I wouldn't be too concerned but if she's pretty consistent with it, bring it up to your farrier.
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BARRELHORSE USA Reg. Sep 2011	Posted 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
	Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-10-10 1:10 AM
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readytorodeo Reg. Dec 2005	Posted 2016-10-10 5:21 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Expert Posts: 3514	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure.
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readytorodeo Reg. Dec 2005	Posted 2016-10-10 5:22 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Expert Posts: 3514	BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure.
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mruggles Reg. Oct 2008	Posted 2016-10-10 11:32 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Good Grief! Posts: 6343 Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta	readytorodeo - 2016-10-11 4:22 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure. Oh and let me guess..you sued the farrier. ..lol...m
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2016-10-10 11:39 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	mruggles - 2016-10-10 11:32 AM readytorodeo - 2016-10-11 4:22 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure. Oh and let me guess..you sued the farrier. ..lol...m LOL,,
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readytorodeo Reg. Dec 2005	Posted 2016-10-10 5:11 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Expert Posts: 3514	mruggles - 2016-10-10 11:32 AM readytorodeo - 2016-10-11 4:22 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure. Oh and let me guess..you sued the farrier. ..lol...m I don't believe I asked your opinion. I just replied to a post.
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Chandler's Mom Reg. Jan 2015	Posted 2016-10-10 9:07 PM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
My Heart Be Happy Posts: 9159 Location: Arkansas	mruggles - 2016-10-10 11:32 AM readytorodeo - 2016-10-11 4:22 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure. Oh and let me guess..you sued the farrier. ..lol...m Oh no, you didn't go THERE Edited by Chandler's Mom 2016-10-10 9:08 PM
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Supernel8 Reg. Feb 2005	Posted 2016-10-11 8:23 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Concrete Queen Posts: 1657	Chandler's Mom - 2016-10-10 9:07 PM mruggles - 2016-10-10 11:32 AM readytorodeo - 2016-10-11 4:22 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-10 1:01 AM Lyndsy91 - 2016-10-09 4:18 PM Hello everyone! I just recently bought a horse and relized she clicks when she walks sometimes, also at a lope and trot but not as often. Anyone had anything like this before?? My shoer is aware of this and is shoeing her specially, it seems to be helping but when her feet grow out a little more she's back to clicking. It dosnt seem to bother her at all. Just wondering every one else's experience. *************************************************** I think all farriers mean well but can get off mentally when shoeing the same horse over time. Before you know it your horse has the old race horse trim with front and rear toes trimmed too long which impedes the synchronizing of the rear stride to the front stride. The first thing to know is the difference in these two ... Forging: The most common gait fault is forging. Many call this hitting or clicking. Forging occurs when the toes of the hind feet strike the bottoms of the front feet as the rear foot lands in the track of the front foot. Forging usually occurs laterally (on the same side), but can sometimes occur diagonally when trotting. Forging rarely happens in barefoot horses due to the horse keeping his toes worn off. Over reaching: Over reaching occurs when the toes of the hind feet overtake and strike the rear of the front feet (pastern or heel) or legs and will leave a mark or jerk a shoe off. This is different from forging because the hind toes are not hitting the bottom of the front feet. You can easily tell if your horse is trimmed to have long toes and probably a lower heel set. Just watch your farrier when he is nailing the shoes on and how much toe is hanging over the front of the shoe and he rasps it off ... this is called fitting the hoof to the shoe instead of fitting the shoe to the hoof. It is one of the bad habits farriers get over a period of time. A well trimmed foot will fit the shoe being nailed on with a slight overhang of hoof wall all the way around the shoe with just a swipe of the rasp to round the slightly exposed edge of the hoof ... (prevents hoof wall cracks and in barefoot horses it is called the 'mustang roll') As stated by several posters the clicking increases when walking, trotting or loping in a circle/round pen /barrel or making a turn at speed ... this is true .. what you are hearing if turning counterclockwise .. is the right hind foot reaching forward and hitting the bottom of the left front foot.... the opposite on a clockwise circle/turn (maybe)... one side may be shod correctly or horse moves more freely in that direction so no hitting ... Your farrier or vet should watch where the horse lands his feet at the end of each stride in a straight line to make their evaluations .. walk and trot the helper to death so owner can watch and understand what they are seeing ... The first change I make on a really bad clicker is to square the rear toes up and shoe with a square toed shoe. If heels are low .. let them grow some.... will take a year .. If you attack all 4 feet at one time and the clicking gets worse or less ... you don't know what fixed it. ************************************************** Conformation: that can cause forging and over reaching ... Front end, hock or stifle soreness .. can easily affect how your horse controls his strides and feet .. You hear people say all the time .. I want a short backed horse with long stride // legs.... this is the cause of most of your serious forgers and over reachers. You can tell who is running the pattern by the clickity clacking you hear .. lol (look for a well balanced conformation regardless of the age of the horse ... what you are looking at will rarely change for the good) Good Feet: The best way to tell good feet in general is to try to look at the whole leg and how the lines all fit together and how the foot is attached to the leg. Cow Hocked or Bow Legged: A "cow hocked" horse will usually also "toe out," and a horse that is "bow legged" will usually "toe in." Toed Out .. Toed In .. just remember the opposite is how they handle their feet . Toed Out ... the movement is inward usually striking the inside of the opposite front leg..... serious cases can create interference and stumbling which can be dangerous to the rider. .... winging in .. Toed In .... the hoof movement is to the outside and is also known as paddling ... As you can see a simple thing like clicking // forging or over reaching can get complicated in a hurry with various reasons for the problem .. Shoe your horses as they stand .. there is no changing of movement by corrective shoeing methods ... usually you create more stress to another joint or part of the body .. Also ... keep in mind when talking to your new farrier ... he will say the previous farrier you have used for 10 years has been shoeing your horse totally wrong and he is going to fix it ... lol Our horse owners are like the rest of the world ... they want a farrier to reply with a politically correct answer ... poor guy wants to make a living so he does the PC bit to make you happy ... As you know I am not a PC person .. so how quick would you fire me if I said as your farrier ... Look lady, what you are asking me to do with a rasp, trimmer and nail pullers is impossible to do with this crooked legged, toed in, toed out, over at the knee, cow hocked, short backed, lop eared nag you paid too much money for and your trainer is taking you for a ride making you think he will be able to run in the 1D with a new set of shoes .. ... (I would make a run for my truck and if I was REAL LUCKY .... I would hear you holler ... YOU'RE FIRED .... as I was leaving in a cloud of dust ... lol) This is correct. I have my rodeo mare out for 3 months because of a farrier. Get your vet to X-ray feet. The shoe according to the correct angle of bone structure. Oh and let me guess..you sued the farrier. ..lol...m Oh no, you didn't go THERE I don't care who you are,,,,,,,, THAT was funny!
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Three 4 Luck Reg. Sep 2003	Posted 2016-10-11 9:21 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Accident Prone Posts: 22277 Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR	It's usually a balance problem with where the break over is happening. I have one prone to forging. He has long sloped pasterns, with low heels to match and a tendency to grow lots of toe. He gets shod every 5 weeks, and is in a mild rocker toe in front to help keep his break over better balanced through the shoeing cycle. These 2 things mostly keep him from hitting unless he's sore, which throws his movement out of sync. We can't change his foot angle without screwing up the balance of his inner structures and creating worse problems.
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barrelbasher Reg. Apr 2007	Posted 2016-10-11 9:51 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Expert Posts: 1440 Location: Texas	I have had a few do this in the past. If it happens a lot they typically roll the toes and if that doesn't work i have gone to squaring the toes off in the back
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Burdicks Special Reg. Mar 2023	Posted 2023-04-09 10:29 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Member Posts: 10	Hello I had a similar situation with my Corona Cartel gelding.. He. would click shoes as he walked with new shoes. I finally found a farrier after a year that knew whst to do.. He said they had the horses front feet coming straight up and down instead of out in front of him. He put a light rim shoe on him not a wide shoe and he never did it again. Not even in deep sand. Hes 14.2 very quick and fast long strided short back very well balanced. From a pro farrier in Calif he says if a horse is balanced all the way around the horse will never grab a shoe. I've always had good farrier and really sound horses n in all my years of showing barrel racing roping I've only sprung one shoe and only lost one shoe due to improper balancing. But since I've moved and I'm out of reach of good farrier its became a problem... and should use Guage once the angle and balance is found write it down n make sure n your farrier will use the Guage. For angle . I'm going to possibly go to Cali to get mine done since problems here....
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Burdicks Special Reg. Mar 2023	Posted 2023-04-09 10:55 AM Subject: RE: A horse that clicks when they walk with shoes!
Member Posts: 10	Hello I have a horse that was clicking shoes right after he had new set of shoes.. my farrier who had been doing my horses 1 a Corona Cartel gelding. After a year I finally found a farrier that watched the horse walk and said his front feet were coming straight up and d own instead of out in front of him. He put lite rim shoes on him no heavy shoes or wide ones and no problem. But that was just for this particular horse. If a horse is balanced and the right angles u should be good to go .. medial lateral balanced.. I'm new bk into the barrel racing. Started bk in the late 60's and my horses were top horses in 4 or 5 events... I've always had really sound horses.. I condition them in the mountains. And never had any shoeing issues I left it up to my farrier.... my horses have all ran up until 20 or 21... .. I even had a mare I bred at 26 she settled the first time at Henry Bowlins farm and had a filly that produced a top barrel racing hirse. The mare was by son if Flit Bar out of Double bred Leo crossed with Raise A Native son. ... all smiles By The Way Happy Easter ...Everyone....... 2023....
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