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Location: IL | Oakley - 2016-11-07 9:30 AM I did have a lameness exam done. Right hock showed smaller joint space than the left, so we injected. That was all the vet had found and said I would have a new horse.
Unfortunately, there was no improvement. That's when I treated him with 28 days of Ulcergard. Got about 6 or 7 great runs then slowly started declining again. Maybe I needed to be more aggressive with my maintence.
He is only 6 and hasn't been run much at all.
He did come down with pneumonia his futurity year and just has never been right since. Not sure if all this is tied together, there really aren't any really good performance vets in our area, so maybe I need to take a road trip.
I would treat with omeprazole again and start a stomach supplement and keep him on it all the time. Also when hauling make sure you give omeprazole ( gastro guard) the day before hauling, the day(s) you are competing and one day after. This has made a huge difference too. Also make sure he isn't bleeding after a run. That could have been the start of the pneumonia. Like I said I love Excel and it has worked with all my horses. No ulcers this year!! | |
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Location: North Dakota | Oakley - 2016-11-07 9:30 AM
I did have a lameness exam done. Right hock showed smaller joint space than the left, so we injected. That was all the vet had found and said I would have a new horse.
Unfortunately, there was no improvement. That's when I treated him with 28 days of Ulcergard. Got about 6 or 7 great runs then slowly started declining again. Maybe I needed to be more aggressive with my maintence.
He is only 6 and hasn't been run much at all.
He did come down with pneumonia his futurity year and just has never been right since. Not sure if all this is tied together, there really aren't any really good performance vets in our area, so maybe I need to take a road trip.
Now that you bring up the past respiratory issue, I would really get in contact with Dr. Schell on the forum at secondvet.com. Might be something still going on there. | |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | It sounds like he may be a silent worrier, if they keep coming back. When I have a horse like that I just keep them on GastroPLUS everyday. | |
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Location: Idaho | Omeprozole / UlcerGard for 30/60 days. The to MAINTAIN ulcers, give the horse 60 cc"s (or 1 cup) of pure aloe vera juice per day. Recommended by my vet.
A gelding I had, had ulcers really bad. I did this, and he was a completely different horse. AND before people say I am crazy, I had this horse for 2 years and kept him on the aloe vera and never had an issue. Before I treated him, he would bolt, panic, he was anxious and nervous all the time and was grouchy. After a week of starting treatment.. a complete 180. AND he stayed like that. I know it works, and it is a cheaper alternative than constantly treating and all the expensive maintenance supplements out there.
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Location: NE Texas | Oakley - 2016-11-07 9:30 AM I did have a lameness exam done. Right hock showed smaller joint space than the left, so we injected. That was all the vet had found and said I would have a new horse.
Unfortunately, there was no improvement. That's when I treated him with 28 days of Ulcergard. Got about 6 or 7 great runs then slowly started declining again. Maybe I needed to be more aggressive with my maintence.
He is only 6 and hasn't been run much at all.
He did come down with pneumonia his futurity year and just has never been right since. Not sure if all this is tied together, there really aren't any really good performance vets in our area, so maybe I need to take a road trip.
If he were mine, I would do the Cur-OST, but given that he's had some respiratory issues in the past and hasn't been right since, I would take a different approach. I would do the EQ Total Support with the EQ Immune and Repair and the EQ Adapt & Calm together for 90 days and then maintain on the EQ Total Support and EQ Adapt & Calm after 90 days. This is going to do a few things for him. You're going to get ramped up stomach support by adding in the Immune & Repair, even though the Total Support contains herbs geared for that as well, with the Immune, it will give an added benefit. You're also going to get the benefit of the anti-inflammatory herbs which will reduce the inflammation in the body, as well as reduce the pain and reduce the rated at which the damage is occurring. Remember, inflammation is the root of all evil. You're also going to get the respiratry and immune system back on track in case there is something residual going on there. Considering he hasn't been the same since then, I suspect there is still an issue potentially, and having dealt with that myself and nearly losing my horse in the process, it can make them do things and behave in a way that makes you think they might just kill you.
Just remember, inflammation is the issue here, and we need to start at the source. If he is on other products, I would take him off and give him no other products other than what i've mentioned above. I might would even replace the RG with a half scoop of whole oats and a cup of BOSS once daily to mix the Cur-OST in. Keeping it as simple as possible and only rely on the small amount of grain and seeds as a medium in which to receive the product. The rest of his nutrition coming form the best quality forage you can find.
Here's the change it made in my horse after 30 days. We had spent thousands of dollars at the vet and he was on Ranitidine, and had been for months, when the before pictures was taken here. He was also on 10cc of Ventipulmin combined with Dex, and we had worked our way up to that. We'd tried every treatment that 3 different vets had to offer and still had a horse who was deteriorating and couldn't take a deep enough breath to cough, not to mention was terribly ulcery. I did exactly what i've explained to you to do here, despite my great skepticism.....it was literally a last resort for me. In 30 days, I had a new horse. And while it took us about a year to work out the bad habits he'd developed due to not being able to breathe and just overall hurting, we haven't looked back.
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| just don't assume that it is ulcers if you haven't had them scoped; I would suggest having your vet scope the horse to confirm that there is a presence of ulcers or could it be something else; our 3yr old filly was gas colicing, not going off feed or anything and we did have her scoped and she had some mild ulcers, just completed the 28 days of Ulcer Guard (a tube a day) and then 4ozs of aloe juice at each feeding and 1 oz of Gastrix at each feeding, just had her rescoped and she is clear, but until you can get down there and see that there are no ulcers then you are not going to know for sure.
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Location: USA | I thought about taking him in and getting him scoped, because I have been fighting my head about if it is ulcers at all. But I KNOW after I did the Ulcergard, he was soft, willing, his top line filled in and he was back in the 1-d.
What are your thoughts about just leaving him alone and turning him out on pasture for the winter, then bring him up early spring, assessing him then and go from there? Would I do more harm than good? Will ulcers heal themselves? | |
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Location: NE Texas | Oakley - 2016-11-08 8:08 AM I thought about taking him in and getting him scoped, because I have been fighting my head about if it is ulcers at all. But I KNOW after I did the Ulcergard, he was soft, willing, his top line filled in and he was back in the 1-d.
What are your thoughts about just leaving him alone and turning him out on pasture for the winter, then bring him up early spring, assessing him then and go from there? Would I do more harm than good? Will ulcers heal themselves? Ulcers will heal on their own once the contributor is removed. However if there is inflammation in the lungs or elsewhere in the body, the longer the inflammation is present, the more damage is done that is irreversible.
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Location: USA | Thank you all for the responses! It has helped, and I have a plan! I will keep you all posted. | |
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Location: Willows, CA | Ulcers will often not heal until you eliminate the bacterial infection in them that keeps them going. Eliminating inflammation alone will not do that. Give me a call and I would be happy to help.
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Location: Dubach, LA | Try Guardian from Jeffers. | |
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| He could have colonic ulcers. They can not scope for them. Instead of scoping. I would do either Oxy Ulcer or THE. Both will get hind gut or colonic ulcers. | |
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