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| Little about the horse I'm inquiring for.
She's a nine year old Quarter Horse off the track. We brought her up to PA from Texas last March. They told me she got VERY hot on the track, which didn't scare me, but now I'm thinking it was more of a stressed related reaction with some added excitement to run.
She lost a bunch of weight after the haul, was super sluggish, drug her toes, and her thirst never seem quenched. After two rounds of ulcer detox and starting her on aloe juice, she had made quite the recovery. I started her on the joint supplement, Arthrocize, and she is like a new horse today. Her energy has picked up substantially and she’s more fiery, in a good way. She'll run out in the pasture and walk faster than turtle speed. No more tripping or injuries. I do plan on getting her scoped in the spring for the ulcers.
Now here's our problem area.
She will not stand still in her stall and will walk circles, as far as I can tell, all day and night. When she’s tied to the trailer she goes back and forth and will give herself the runs trying to look for company. It’s a bit better with a horse beside her but as soon as she or the other horse is taken out, it’s back to nervousness. If she is by herself, as long as I’m standing next to her, she’s happy. Also, if she's in a stall with a horse across from her, it's the same circling. After three days in (thanks to Mother Nature) her circles aren't quite as energetic and she seems a bit more relaxed.
Should I invest in a calming supplement to get her to relax? I’m assuming (I know that’s dangerous) that she was only stalled before a race, so she gets amped up being in there. | |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Personally I would treat for ulcers again before jumping straight to a calming supplement. Equisure may be a good thing to try even before a scope, as it can hit alot of areas plus heal ulcers.. and if she had ulcers she may need daily maintenance. My OTTB has been off the track for almost 3 years and is still a handful most days. It has gotten alot better but the first year was HELL! Seems the longer she's been off the better she gets but definitely not a quick process. Equisure has helped her a ton and I do keep her on 5cc/day when shes being ridden.
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Location: Southern Indiana | It certainly wouldn't hurt to try one. I like vitacalm. Most calming supplements only seems to take a slight edge off tho, not make them behave like a normal horse. The stall pacing will just take time. She will get better with time. She will one day realize that it's okay to be in the stall or alone and will learn to relax. My colt still does this when I got to a friend house to ride when he waits in the stall. At shows and at home he still moves around but he's mostly relaxed. | |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I would do another round of ulcer treatment and keep her on a preventative. Ulcers can come back instantly and it sounds like she is prone to them. I would add a daily calming supplement also. I like relax pellets by oxygen. It helps them calm down without taking the run out. Also, when you haul/run her, I would use an ulcer paste then also because that's when she will be more stressed. A lot of track horses are stalled 24/7 so its hard to get those nervous habits out - the more turnout time the better. I have one that cribs if he's stalled too much. When he's outside he's much better. Good luck! | |
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Location: Deep South | What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. | |
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Location: Northwest | I had an OTT mare a few years back that sounds just like yours. Taking care of the ulcers and a magnesium supplement went a long way. That being said, she was still a horse that needed a calming supplement when hauled. | |
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| Suggest looking into magnesium. I use the one by Performance Equine Nutrition. There are many out there, my guy will eat the pellets without issue. He was abused so he's always "on" guard. I still sometimes have to give him something to calm him on performance days but that is few and far between. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I agree on starting her on a Magnesium supplement.. I started using the MVP Magnesium 5000, I like the pellets better.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2017-01-18 2:43 PM
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste.
You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? | |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | Most race horses are stalled 24/7 and always have buddies around. It sounds like she was "coming down" and her being sluggish and dragging her toes would be a warning sign that something else might have been going on. Being stalled that much most have some sort of nervous habit, the more you can keep her turned out the better although I know weather is an issue. I bought some Equisure for a young horse I have that is more on the anxious side but I haven't had to use it on him yet since mine are turned out for the winter. Bloodwork wouldn't be a bad thing to do. Some race horses take a long time to learn a different routine. I've used Calmex V from MVP for horses that were anxious being hauled the first few times. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would take the suggestions of treating for ulcers as well. THE GastroPLUS is proven and has a money back guarantee. I also have some calming cookie samples I can send you to see how they help. Does wonders for my friend's horse that has severe trailer anxiety. | |
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| I use Vitacalm. My horse is antsy and buddy sour and it really has helped her. It's also not crazy expensive. It could not hurt to try. My horse was constantly moving her feet while standing, pacing and yelling in her stall if the other horses were not in the barn. Now she has relaxed a bit. | |
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Location: Deep South | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM
BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste.
You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment?
No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing.
I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again.
I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days.
I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it! | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-19 2:21 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing. I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again. I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days. I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it!
Very good info to know. Thanks for clearing it up  | |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-19 2:32 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-19 2:21 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing. I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again. I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days. I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it!
I can't seem to find the ingredients for Oxy-Ulcer? Unless it can slow down acid production (which is what omeprazole does...) then it cannot treat.
GastroPlex paste is great - my husbands gelding was starting to get naughty at the gate. Once we started him on GastroPlex pellets and along with the paste as a pre-performance paste, he is back to acting normal. The paste coats the soft tissue lining of their stomach, which makes the acid sloshing around in their stomach less abrasive. | |
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Location: Deep South | WrapN3MN - 2017-01-19 3:08 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-19 2:32 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-19 2:21 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing. I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again. I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days. I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it!
GastroPlex paste is great - my husbands gelding was starting to get naughty at the gate. Once we started him on GastroPlex pellets and along with the paste as a pre-performance paste, he is back to acting normal. The paste coats the soft tissue lining of their stomach, which makes the acid sloshing around in their stomach less abrasive.
Sorry, I can't help there. I'm not rep or anything like that. I just know it works. And I've tried all kinds of ulcer treatments over the years on different horses, including omeprazole. This is my fave based on effectiveness, affordability, and conveinence. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WrapN3MN - 2017-01-19 3:08 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-19 2:32 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-19 2:21 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing. I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again. I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days. I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it!
GastroPlex paste is great - my husbands gelding was starting to get naughty at the gate. Once we started him on GastroPlex pellets and along with the paste as a pre-performance paste, he is back to acting normal. The paste coats the soft tissue lining of their stomach, which makes the acid sloshing around in their stomach less abrasive.
https://oxyinfo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=73
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PASTE FORMULATION
Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein, min —— 1.00%
Crude Fat, min —— 68.00%
Crude Fiber, max —— 5.30%
Calcium, min —— 1.00%
Calcium, max —— 2.00%
Phosphorus, min — 0.35%
Magnesium, min — 6.00%
Potassium, min — 0.80%
Salt, min —— 5.00%
Salt, max —— 6.00%
Vitamin E, min —— 370 IU/lb
Each 10cc contains 0.1 Billion CFU/gr Lactobacillus acidophilus added
Ingredients:
Salt, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Hydroxide, Magnesium Oxide, Calcium Carbonate, Monosodium Phosphate, Yeast Culture, Brewers Dried Yeast, Brewers Dried Grains, Dried Distillers Grain with Solubles, Inulin, Wheat Germ Meal, Carob Bean Powder, Hydrolyzed Yeast, Active Dried Yeast, Vitamin E Supplement, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Silicate, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens Fermentation Product, Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Propionibacterium freudenreichii Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus lactis Fermentation Product, Trichoderma longibrachiatum Fermentation Extract, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Pediococcus cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation product, Sodium Silico Aluminate, Natural and Artificial Flavorings.
Feeding Instructions:
Standard Rate: Feed 20cc per day for 15 days. To reduce costs and aid in non-recurrence, follow with Oxy-MAX from Oxy-Gen
Pre-Performance: Feed 10cc prior to competition or training. Feed 10cc before hauling
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-19 4:05 PM
WrapN3MN - 2017-01-19 3:08 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-19 2:32 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-19 2:21 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-18 3:52 PM BamaCanChaser - 2017-01-18 1:21 PM What did you use for ulcers the first time? It sounds like it's still ulcers to me, or that they've just come back. Like the others have said, once treated I would keep her on a maintenance or preventative supplement, plus a paste when hauling. I like MVP Gastro-plex pellets and paste. You use Gastroplex for treatment? I thought this was only a preventative.
Have you had success with Gastroplex as a treatment? No. I have not used it for treatment. Sorry, my response was worded kinda confusing. I don't feel like any daily feed through is enough protection from the stress of hauling and competing while maintaining ulcers, that's where the paste comes into play. It's the "extra" I feel they need without having to treat them all over again. I feed the Gastro-plex pellets daily, and administer the Gastro-plex paste on hauling/competing days. I have successfully used the Oxy-Ulcer paste for treating ulcers though. Plus the horses really love the taste of it!
GastroPlex paste is great - my husbands gelding was starting to get naughty at the gate. Once we started him on GastroPlex pellets and along with the paste as a pre-performance paste, he is back to acting normal. The paste coats the soft tissue lining of their stomach, which makes the acid sloshing around in their stomach less abrasive.
My Google Skills are on fire today!PASTE FORMULATIONGuaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein, min —— 1.00% Crude Fat, min —— 68.00% Crude Fiber, max —— 5.30% Calcium, min —— 1.00% Calcium, max —— 2.00% Phosphorus, min — 0.35% Magnesium, min — 6.00% Potassium, min — 0.80% Salt, min —— 5.00% Salt, max —— 6.00% Vitamin E, min —— 370 IU/lb Each 10cc contains 0.1 Billion CFU/gr Lactobacillus acidophilus addedIngredients: Salt, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Hydroxide, Magnesium Oxide, Calcium Carbonate, Monosodium Phosphate, Yeast Culture, Brewers Dried Yeast, Brewers Dried Grains, Dried Distillers Grain with Solubles, Inulin, Wheat Germ Meal, Carob Bean Powder, Hydrolyzed Yeast, Active Dried Yeast, Vitamin E Supplement, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Silicate, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens Fermentation Product, Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Soybean Oil, Calcium Carbonate, Dried Propionibacterium freudenreichii Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus lactis Fermentation Product, Trichoderma longibrachiatum Fermentation Extract, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Pediococcus cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus licheniformis Fermentation product, Sodium Silico Aluminate, Natural and Artificial Flavorings. Feeding Instructions: Standard Rate: Feed 20cc per day for 15 days. To reduce costs and aid in non-recurrence, follow with Oxy-MAX from Oxy-Gen Pre-Performance: Feed 10cc prior to competition or training. Feed 10cc before hauling
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Location: 31 lengths farms | OTT horses are extremely used to a set routine. Try to stay to one. Sorry if I repeat anything anyone has already said but as far as a calming agent and when to use it, my suggestion is to use them (and not all calmers work on all horses, its trial and error for that horse) when you have a horse who's physical as well as mental well being is at risk without one. My little mare CC is what I would discribe at Bi-polar ADHD. She get scared, then fixate on what scared her so hard that she'd not see the next thing that scared her and then get scared because she got scared. She had a huge flight or fight instinct, fences be darn. I tried Calming Cookies, they worked. A. Little. Too. Well. LOL!! She was a zombie, and that was the old number 2 and one dose. She about fell asleep in the middle of a barrel run, indoors, her first run indoor ever with music blasting, people there for the bikini barrel race later that night so it was a wild loud crowd. It was fine, I guess I would have rather had that happen than a lot of the alternatives especially at that point in her life. Then we tried Equine Focus I think it was called. Not a good fit for her, seemed she focused on what scared her even harder. Again, I know a lot of people use those with great results, just didn't work for CC and her issues. We finally tried and had very very good results with Silver Lining herbs Keep Cool. AFter about a week on it she wasn't getting scared over being scared, after about a month on it she was starting to think her way thru "did that really scare me or just startle me???" With its help she finally got enough good days put together it helped her gain confidence in that she was okay in this world. After about 4-5 months I started only using it if we were going to an arena that she didnt' seem to like the set up or one that knowing her I figured would be a bit overwhelming (Pendleton). I have also used Cur-ost Adapt and Calm here and there but I still think that the best fit for her in particular is the Keep Cool. | |
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| Thank you everyone! I was supposed to get email notifications because I tend to forget things. My apologies in the delay.
What will magnesium do for her? I just purchased a bag of it in loose powder form because I thought a cow had grass staggers.
I'll definitely be looking in to an ulcer treatment and preventative. | |
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