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Location: Oklahoma | Too long of story. I have a horse that I cannot put shoes on, he rips them off and I have no wall and I have to start all over. He is flat footed on the fronts He has been barefoot for 2 years, he is not going to cup. I have tried different ways to trim him. He is sore in front feet because his sole hitting I have tried to grow his walls out past his soles to try to help but they crack and break off (I did this trick on my other horse but it doesn't work on this one) The last thing I have done is put super fast expoxy on him. I was only able to do one foot one day and the other one the next day. He was so happy the first day til I did the 2nd foot which I had to do to even him up I have made adjustment to the 2nd foot and he is pretty happy on it but I know he can be better. I don't have the best eye and no I don't have a farrier that can help me. so I need like some rubber shoes I can slip on or there has got to be something out there that is easy Have done the boots he is happy in them but need something I can work him in and start on the barrels. I need something to get his soles from hitting the ground. He has seen couple different farriers and barefoot and no one has been able to help him so I am pretty much on my own I been trimming my own for 3-4 years now I have no problems on my other one but this one is giving me fits. /also I have soaked and packed his feet and that doesn't help with the soreness. Which it wont as long as his sole hits the ground thanks |
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Location: Oklahoma | Also I have tried glue on shoes he did pretty good in them but they had moisture trapped in them and made side heel collapsed and plus they are expensive. So no glue ons |
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| I turn mine out with bell boots,I am reasonably close to rood and riddle I had there podiatrist shoe my horse and give my farrier instructions.i packed that one a lot with magic cushion kept his soles hard. Can you keep him up in a stall or is he out 24-7? |
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Location: Oklahoma | right now he is in stall with a run bc of sel. issue. He has been barefoot for 2 years. He used to be turned out 24/7 til a week ago. |
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| Soles actually do need to hit the ground, the foot expands, the frog and sole of the foot drop pulling blood into the foot. When the horse lifts their foot up, the frog and sole retracts pushing the blood out of the foot.
It sounds like you may have a few issues.
If the hoof wall is brittle and cracking/chipping, the horse has a deficiency, he may also have leaky gut which can cause deficiencies.
What are you feeding him? I believe you need to change the diet. Milk powder is supposed to help with the thickening of the foot. If the feet are dry and brittle, applying fish oil to the cornet will help.
Pete Ramey has two wonderful books on barefoot trimming and problem horses, I encourage you to read them.
How often are you trimming? The majority of people who try barefoot don't follow it to the letter. All the barefoot trimmers in my area strongly encourage trimming every 4 weeks, most of the time they will not trim anything just rasp.
I do the 4 weeks, and have a good feeding program and my riding horses feet are in great shape. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I agree with everything you say Cheryl. and my first horse when I tried going barefoot I bought pete ramey dvd set and that is how I learned bout doing my own feet. and I have changed diet to natural and min. and vit. the reason for his feet being the way they are is because I have recently learned that my pasture is super high in sel. When I tested my other horse for toxics he was high in sel. and then aha moment! Explains a lot of the things they have been going thru. That is why he is penned up in stall and run. My first horse could not handle his sole hitting the ground so I let his wall grow past the sole a little and always kept a ridge there Pete says in his dvd there is always exception to the rule and he was one of them. A year and 1/2 later I am able to trim first horse without the wall rim. But the second horse that is not doing the trick. He cannot handle his sole hitting the ground when I lift the sole up he is wonderful and attitude disappears. I cannot put shoes on him because he will literally pull both shoes the next day and tear his walls up and then I am spending a couple more months growing that out. Another reason I know its his soles is bc in super deep and soft ground no attitude! You can ask him to move without spurs! Same with the glue on shoes, but they are too expensive and he not running barrels yet but glue on also attracts moisture and collapsed one heel . There has to be something out there that I can use to help this horses feet. I am trying the super fast exposy and that seems to be helping was just wondering what other people have done. thanks |
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| If he's pulling shoes that quick, something is wrong. Breakover is too slow, toes are too long in back, suspensory issues, improper shoe shoe size. . . . Have you tried putting grass clips on him? Are you removing toe callous?
Can you post clear pictures, bottom of clean hoof, side, and front? I'd be interested to see what his frogs look like, and overall balance. |
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| Several knowledgeable folks on here if you can post pictures - and also some great knowledge in some FB groups.
I started down the path of trimming my own but got overwhelmed. We have a great local barefoot trimmer who happily discusses everything with me and shows what he's doing, what to look for etc.
My gut says something is off nutritionally. Does high sel. cause them to not be able to absorb something else?
Correction will likely take a while if it is nutritional - the folks on FB have an arsenal of hoof boots etc that can keep him more comfortable while that process is happening. |
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Location: Idaho | I noticed you're in Oklahoma! I have the same complications with my boy. He was barefoot before I moved him out here, and now because of the ground he requires shoes but for some reason.. they come off in about 2-3 weeks. I swapped farriers about 4 times in the past year, finally got one that his shoe would actually stay. But then on his last shoeing (as summer was starting to hit) his shoes came off again! Had it tacked back on, then it was coming off again! So I pulled them and he's basically been barefoot for the last 5 weeks. He is also flat footed as well.
I am still trying to figure this out for myself, but I would think about finding a really good barefoot farrier and maybe looking into some renegade's hoof boots? Also I was recommended to get some hoof supplement's to help with the growth of his feet to help thicken his walls and his soles. I have no done that yet, but I've heard of some good results.
Wishing you the best, I feel your struggle! |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | On eBay you can get a set of boots resonable. Get pure DL methionine from the vet and apply with biotin. Your vet can recommend the dosage for methionine.If you stay on it 6 months you should have a hoof good equal to a car tire. If you can apply a rubber ball, the size of a tennis ball to the center of the hoof, it will apply enough pressure to foot so the foot pumps blood in and out of hoof to encouraging hoof growth. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have had 3 different barefoot trimmers look at him (one trims for a very well known family that wins all time) They have not been able to help him and I have used a few shoers and glue ons no fix. I stumbled across some articles last night and this is my next plan I am getting shavings up past his ankles and I am gonna clean and scrub his feet on a daily basis or every other day and treat for thrush. I treated last year and he was getting better and better I may have quit too soon thinking that I got it all but now I am wondering if I didn't Some of the articles was talking bout how the frog can be healthy looking and have not smell but there is still thrush/fungus deep in the foot and that vets and shoers miss it bc it doesn't show to naked eye. I have one frog to me doesn't look right and have asked bout it they all tell me that just the way he is. I don't believe it hence why I am still digging! My other horse was at the vet for a few weeks and he is barefoot and his feet always been good but after being in shavings for a week wow they was great and I thought they couldn't be much better. so that is where the shavings coming in. I may be wrong but I am gonna try. I can afford this! lol Welcome to Oklahoma! |
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Location: Oklahoma | On eBay you can get a set of boots resonable. Get pure DL methionine from the vet and apply with biotin. Your vet can recommend the dosage for methionine.If you stay on it 6 months you should have a hoof good equal to a car tire. If you can apply a rubber ball, the size of a tennis ball to the center of the hoof, it will apply enough pressure to foot so the foot pumps blood in and out of hoof to encouraging hoof growth.
Thank you for this! I will definitely check into the DL methionine I have been looking a supplements there is so much out there wasn't sure which ones I wanted to try. Would the rubber ball make them pretty sore? and I guess you tape it on? |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have boots. He is fine in the pasture it is when I ride him and depends on the ground. I need to fix this not just sypmtoms bc I wont be able to run in a boot when we start running. by the way He has been xrayed and all that good stuff. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Thanks everyone!!!! |
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| Turnburnsis - 2017-04-19 9:30 PM
I have had 3 different barefoot trimmers look at him (one trims for a very well known family that wins all time) They have not been able to help him and I have used a few shoers and glue ons no fix. I stumbled across some articles last night and this is my next plan I am getting shavings up past his ankles and I am gonna clean and scrub his feet on a daily basis or every other day and treat for thrush. I treated last year and he was getting better and better I may have quit too soon thinking that I got it all but now I am wondering if I didn't Some of the articles was talking bout how the frog can be healthy looking and have not smell but there is still thrush/fungus deep in the foot and that vets and shoers miss it bc it doesn't show to naked eye. I have one frog to me doesn't look right and have asked bout it they all tell me that just the way he is. I don't believe it hence why I am still digging! My other horse was at the vet for a few weeks and he is barefoot and his feet always been good but after being in shavings for a week wow they was great and I thought they couldn't be much better. so that is where the shavings coming in. I may be wrong but I am gonna try. I can afford this! lol Welcome to Oklahoma!
Generally if the thrush is under the foot, the vet will have to burn it out.
Hoof testers, have you tested him to see where he is sore? Before I would do anything, I would be testing to see where he is sore.
Bad angles, contracted heels ( most vets will miss this too, and even farriers) unbalanced feet, and thrush. |
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| Thought, have you had a vet block him to make sure it is in his feet?
Just a thought, we were discussing this last night as my heel horse is slightly uncomfortable in the front. His feet have never looked better so we don't suspect a navicular issue, my money is on arthritis in his fetlocks.
We plan to haul him in to our performance vet as soon as we have time. |
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