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| Turnburnsis - 2017-07-13 1:34 AM
Maybe he is out of whack in his body somewhere. Maybe he needs a chiro or vet work. Good luck
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | The second farrier is doing a better job but you are still dealing with a low heel. Most farriers start wedging at this point and that just crushes the heels further. Your horses body posture shows how off his feet are. It is very difficult to find a farrier who can fix this with shoes on.
I actually just got a horse with the same issues. He has been shod by probably 10 different farriers and none have really been able to fix him. I'll be doing a whole blog series on his rehab. I don't know if going barefoot is something you would consider but if it is, I would be happy to share my procedure on these sorts of horses.
Farriers used to recommend letting your horse go barefoot occassionally but the trend today is to do back to back shoeing for the life of the horse.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Pics are really small. That being said, it looks like everything is too far forward. Toe needs pulled back and so does heel. He is too far forward and has no support. |
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| equussynergy - 2017-07-13 8:10 AM
The second farrier is doing a better job but you are still dealing with a low heel. Most farriers start wedging at this point and that just crushes the heels further. Your horses body posture shows how off his feet are. It is very difficult to find a farrier who can fix this with shoes on.
I actually just got a horse with the same issues. He has been shod by probably 10 different farriers and none have really been able to fix him. I'll be doing a whole blog series on his rehab. I don't know if going barefoot is something you would consider but if it is, I would be happy to share my procedure on these sorts of horses.
Farriers used to recommend letting your horse go barefoot occassionally but the trend today is to do back to back shoeing for the life of the horse.
Im not sure if going barefoot is an option for him but that being said I had a talk with my farrier today and he said "where there is a will there is a way", so he seems open to trying it if it comes to that. I am most certainly interested in what you will be doing with your horse. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-13 8:17 AM equussynergy - 2017-07-13 8:10 AM The second farrier is doing a better job but you are still dealing with a low heel. Most farriers start wedging at this point and that just crushes the heels further. Your horses body posture shows how off his feet are. It is very difficult to find a farrier who can fix this with shoes on.
I actually just got a horse with the same issues. He has been shod by probably 10 different farriers and none have really been able to fix him. I'll be doing a whole blog series on his rehab. I don't know if going barefoot is something you would consider but if it is, I would be happy to share my procedure on these sorts of horses.
Farriers used to recommend letting your horse go barefoot occassionally but the trend today is to do back to back shoeing for the life of the horse.
Im not sure if going barefoot is an option for him but that being said I had a talk with my farrier today and he said "where there is a will there is a way", so he seems open to trying it if it comes to that. I am most certainly interested in what you will be doing with your horse.
Edited to add, there is a huge difference in how barefoot trimmers trim and how farriers trim.
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Location: North Dakota | Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-11 8:09 PM I am desperate for suggestions on how to deal with a chronic front shoe puller. Has any one dealt with one and what did you do that helped? He has weak hooves, we are working on that. I use Keratex hoof hardener and bell boots but he overreaches and pulls them clean off. I am open to all suggestions except to get a new farrier. I have had 3 different farriers with this horse and my current guy is fabulous. He is short backed, long strided, nothing I can do about his conformation. TIA!!
Any possible undeteced lameness problems?
My Red pulled shoes like crazy one summer until we figured out he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Got that taken care of and the pulled shoes magically stopped. He probably was "scrambling" more than he had to because of the stifle and thus would catch a shoe.
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Location: North Dakota | total performance - 2017-07-13 8:11 AM Pics are really small. That being said, it looks like everything is too far forward. Toe needs pulled back and so does heel. He is too far forward and has no support.
i think I agree with this-want to preface with I don't hardly ever shoe a horse-was reading your thread because I have a horse that we've tried shoes on because he really gets in the ground and had trouble staying on his feet one year when it was so dry but he CONSTANTLY pulled one of the fronts. One of the best shoers in our area couldn't keep them on-we decided to give up. With that said-your horses feet look terrible, that foot looks like it is set an inch too far forward than it should be-which can be causing all kinds of trouble.........I'm going back to even a bad barefoot trim won't wreck a horse as bad as a mediocre shoe job. |
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| I agree with most of the replies about him being too far forward. From looking at the pictures, he is even more forward in the back than in the front, his angle is way off. Is he having any lameness problems besides pulling the shoe? The back feet and legs are my concern from looking at the pictures. Getting the back fixed would probably fix the front as well. Focus on all four feet, not just the one with the shoe being pulled off.
As for supplements, I am old school. I had a horse that couldn't hold a shoe, QH with four white feet. He had been foundered, and stood in a stall for 4 of his 5 years when I got him. I could scratch hoof off with my fingernail. We started giving him flavored gelatin (yes Jello) with his feed, and it helped to fix his feet. And a lot cheaper that supplements. He like cherry and orange the best, and would like his feed pan clean.
With all this being said, good luck, and remember it takes TIME to correct things. |
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| equussynergy - 2017-07-13 8:10 AM
The second farrier is doing a better job but you are still dealing with a low heel. Most farriers start wedging at this point and that just crushes the heels further. Your horses body posture shows how off his feet are. It is very difficult to find a farrier who can fix this with shoes on.
I actually just got a horse with the same issues. He has been shod by probably 10 different farriers and none have really been able to fix him. I'll be doing a whole blog series on his rehab. I don't know if going barefoot is something you would consider but if it is, I would be happy to share my procedure on these sorts of horses.
Farriers used to recommend letting your horse go barefoot occassionally but the trend today is to do back to back shoeing for the life of the horse.
I would be very interested in following your blog. Could you tell how to find it? |
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| r_beau - 2017-07-13 10:43 AM
Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-11 8:09 PM I am desperate for suggestions on how to deal with a chronic front shoe puller. Has any one dealt with one and what did you do that helped? He has weak hooves, we are working on that. I use Keratex hoof hardener and bell boots but he overreaches and pulls them clean off. I am open to all suggestions except to get a new farrier. I have had 3 different farriers with this horse and my current guy is fabulous. He is short backed, long strided, nothing I can do about his conformation. TIA!!
Any possible undeteced lameness problems?
My Red pulled shoes like crazy one summer until we figured out he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Got that taken care of and the pulled shoes magically stopped. He probably was "scrambling" more than he had to because of the stifle and thus would catch a shoe.
He has a sticky right stifle, although it is improving with hill work. What did you do to fix your horses stifle? |
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| I feel like I need to clarify because I am starting to get a complex over this horses hooves. I hope no one is looking at the photos in the wrong order. I will try and post them again and make them larger. I know they are not perfect, his conformation is FAR from perfect but dang I didn't think they look that bad lol. Especially compared to what they looked like before. I looked back at my records, my new farrier started in early February, so if Im correct he has put shoes on him 4 times. |
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Location: Central Okla. | I would find a shoer that is good at corrective stuff and really willing to listen. We have a horse with crooked legs and terribly weak hoof walls. He always used to pull his front left shoe off. Our shoer takes the time to properly set him and shape that shoe so that he never pulls it off anymore. He's a head horse and barrel horse. Good luck. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-12 4:43 PM missroselee - 2017-07-12 2:40 PM I am not going to read through all the posts since my time is always limited....I ready enough comments "new farrier" to not want to read more.
Would changing farriers yet again work? Possibly. But not a guarantee.
Some horses just do this. And it's not because they are messed up, or the farriers suck. Guess what, some horses have a very naturally LONG stride. Growing up we were taught the rear foot should land exactly where the front foot was. I have no idea if this is true or not and it's the last thing I really worry about. But it's something I have watched as a kid. And yea, most horses do land like that.
But not all. My current open 1D horse is the perfect example. His rear foot will land about 10 inches in front of his front (yes I said 10 inches). He is 12. He has competed from SC, to GA/FL, MO, OK, Iowa, etc etc, so he's been around the block more then once. He has had over a dozen farriers attempt to keep front shoes on him. Some were ok farriers not doing it right, and some were the best of the best. We tried EVERYTHING. The only way to shoe him in order to prevent him from taking them off is to squeeze the front heels in.....BIG mistake for any horse by the way.
So we said screw it.....the SOB just don't wear back shoes........ever....
It works. For him. We make it work for us.
Edited to add that after viewing your photos above, I would change farriers. I would worry less about him stepping shoes of and worry more about that fact that he is terribly unbalanced, at least that is how it looks in the photos. When my husband started shoeing all my horses including the open gelding I mentioned above, he wanted to figure out how to make his front feet so he would be less likely to step off shoes. I told him that he was starting off on the wrong foot and to BALANCE the hoof. It works. We worry more about the specific balance then anything. Can you explain how he is unbalanced because honestly Im embarrassed to say that I do not know
Some have already touched base on some of the obvious issues. No heel, really forward, which may be some conformation.
Underslung heel, off balance when looking at him from the front. Talk to your farrier about concentrating more on balance then anything, start with that. Sometimes if you work too hard to fix what you think is wrong instead of balance, you create more problems. |
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Location: North Dakota | Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-13 1:24 PM r_beau - 2017-07-13 10:43 AM Mrs.Stepniak - 2017-07-11 8:09 PM I am desperate for suggestions on how to deal with a chronic front shoe puller. Has any one dealt with one and what did you do that helped? He has weak hooves, we are working on that. I use Keratex hoof hardener and bell boots but he overreaches and pulls them clean off. I am open to all suggestions except to get a new farrier. I have had 3 different farriers with this horse and my current guy is fabulous. He is short backed, long strided, nothing I can do about his conformation. TIA!! Any possible undeteced lameness problems?
My Red pulled shoes like crazy one summer until we figured out he had a catchy stifle on the right hind. Got that taken care of and the pulled shoes magically stopped. He probably was "scrambling" more than he had to because of the stifle and thus would catch a shoe.
He has a sticky right stifle, although it is improving with hill work. What did you do to fix your horses stifle?
I didn't look at your pictures closely. Of course, if there is a shoeing issue it needs to be fixed. But I use a fantastic farrier for my horse so I know it was not his shoes. His sticky stifle was mild so it has slowly gotten better with routine exercise. I do LOTS of backing up ditches. Every ride I do it a couple times while we are out on the trail. I also make sure he stays collected while riding, especially at the trot because that's when it prone to catch him the most. I tried injecting it early on but that didn't make much difference. I did just inject him yesterday (hocks and stifles) but only b/c the vet was indicating he was sore in the stifles and he has now started fusing on the other hock.
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| Balance as mentioned can be a significant factor in the problem. I had to resort to making the farriers measure the feet so that not only each foot is balanced but they are the same. can make a difference. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | Have your shoer roll in the ends of the shoes.
The horse is reaching up under him/herself and clipping the exposed shoe heel ends on fronts.
The shoe will be more pronounced and more closed up C.
The ends will be curled in and under the heels somewhat.
Fronts only.
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Location: NE Pa-Gods Country | if it is the same front shoe that is pulled, it could be the stifle cords loose. My mare did this 3 times in a row at the same time in her schedule...4 wks. diagnosed with loose cords/stifle on that side. different shoeing technique required
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| I don't see any pictures of feet.
Some quick ways to prevent horses from pulling shoes.
Square the toe in the front it causes the break over faster.
Put trailers on the back so it pulls their foot to the outside so they won't track ontop of the front foot.
Just remember everything we do to these guys there is a negative consequence as well. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Fun2Run - 2017-07-11 11:42 PM I've had that problem. New farrier fixed it. Basically, the farrier has to speed up the front breakover (less toe), and slow down the hinds (slower breakover-longer toe). If that doesn't work, he can square off his hind feet toes (would not be my first choice).
This is what my new farrier did for my horse. Has worked like a charm. |
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