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Location: Montana | Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 9:20 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-08-06 1:05 PM Personally this is what I saw (and I ride a ratey horse so I know): Your horse does look green...like she is kind of lost to 1st. Needs a little more slow-work/practice. Also,I would ride two handed into each of the barrels, your mare is ratey like you said, and if you ride her two handed you might have better luck,. Also, shorten your reins and I think that would help quite a few of the miss-ques. I would also try to go one more stride into each of the barrels, a lot of her rate, though, she is getting from you as I can see you start to slow down your body language into the barrels, but again goes back to 2 handed between barrels, if it were me I wouldn't drop to 1 hand until I was literally at the barrel starting to turn.. Also, JMHO, it looks like you need to maybe work on your balance.
This is just what I saw and would change/work on if it were me. I've been there, done that...and I've done a lot of the same moves I saw you do in the video just to keep barrels up because my mare is ratey and starts to turn too soon. I try to ride two handed and then she starts to rate so hard and turn early so I grab the horn and slow down. Ugh what can I do to improve that and my balance, I think slow work and exhibitioning will help some so that I can focus on my body position rather than speed.
What one of the other posters suggested about ponying another...that does help a LOT! But since I currently don't have another horse to pony, I just work on building my core strength (planking, bridging, etc.) and leg strength (lunges, squats, etc.) as a lot of your balance comes from that.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-06 9:31 PM Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 10:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-06 12:04 PM Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-04 11:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-04 11:16 PM If your wearing a dark shirt with a red brim cap, Your horse looks very green and needs to be taking alot slower for a long time to learn the basic's of barrels. I would go to a few clinic's to help you out along with your mare. By the way shes super cute. Yes! Black shirt with red brimmed cap is me! Okay, I agree I think I took it too fast with her on the pattern. I haven't competed all summer because I wanted to just sit and do slow work with her at home before competing, but I agree I need to slow it down at these races as well! Thank you! I will be searching for clinics to attend for sure! I agree, I think both my horse and I need to focus on fine tuning and I need to fine tune my body positioning in slow work and exhibitions!
great advice :) I saw no flex at all in the neck and shoulders. Cute mare though and just needs to tune in on the basics. | |
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| mtcanchazer - 2017-08-07 10:52 AM
Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 9:20 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-08-06 1:05 PM Personally this is what I saw (and I ride a ratey horse so I know): Your horse does look green...like she is kind of lost to 1st. Needs a little more slow-work/practice. Also,I would ride two handed into each of the barrels, your mare is ratey like you said, and if you ride her two handed you might have better luck,. Also, shorten your reins and I think that would help quite a few of the miss-ques. I would also try to go one more stride into each of the barrels, a lot of her rate, though, she is getting from you as I can see you start to slow down your body language into the barrels, but again goes back to 2 handed between barrels, if it were me I wouldn't drop to 1 hand until I was literally at the barrel starting to turn.. Also, JMHO, it looks like you need to maybe work on your balance.
This is just what I saw and would change/work on if it were me. I've been there, done that...and I've done a lot of the same moves I saw you do in the video just to keep barrels up because my mare is ratey and starts to turn too soon. I try to ride two handed and then she starts to rate so hard and turn early so I grab the horn and slow down. Ugh what can I do to improve that and my balance, I think slow work and exhibitioning will help some so that I can focus on my body position rather than speed.
Don't give up! Keep going to those races and keep trying. That's all you can do to get better is to keep trying.
Aweome I'll do that!! Thank you, I'll keep on trying:) | |
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Location: North Dakota | I agree with most of what has been said.
There's a Ryan Lovendahl clinic coming up in October in Mandan. I don't know if its full yet or not. They put on a good clinic. PM me if you are interested and I can refer you to the organizer.
I also know there's a Britany Diaz clinic on Sunday near Mandan. Not sure if it is full yet.
I agree with just getting your horse more broke and really being aware of the cues you are giving your horse. For example, your reins are too long and she's not ready to be one-handed. As you go to turn your first barrel, you are crossing your hand to the other side of her neck with your inside rein. You don't want to do that, as that makes them "fall in" more toward the barrel. Instead "lift" with your hand and use your inside leg if you need some shape or to move her out.
You are also leaning a lot coming into the second barrel (leaning forward and leaning in). This will make your horse heavy on the front end. Stay square. And again, do not let that inside hand cross to the other side of the mane. You left the second barrel wide b/c you turned it too soon.
I like your mare and I like your positive attitude. You guys will be well on your way with some riding changes and getting her more broke.
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Location: Alabama | I will be the odd man out and say I don't think you are that far off the mark! Take those reins up so that they barely make contact with your mares mouth when they touch the front of the saddle horn. Raise your stirrups a half a set. Practice riding your horse a little straighter a little longer into the turn and pull to your hip pocket when you get behind the barrel. I bet you can shave a second and a half off your time! We can all use a clinic and learn to fine tune things. I like your horse and I think you made a great first run for the year! Looks like you had fun and that is the number one goal! | |
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| Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 9:20 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-08-06 1:05 PM Personally this is what I saw (and I ride a ratey horse so I know): Your horse does look green...like she is kind of lost to 1st. Needs a little more slow-work/practice. Also,I would ride two handed into each of the barrels, your mare is ratey like you said, and if you ride her two handed you might have better luck,. Also, shorten your reins and I think that would help quite a few of the miss-ques. I would also try to go one more stride into each of the barrels, a lot of her rate, though, she is getting from you as I can see you start to slow down your body language into the barrels, but again goes back to 2 handed between barrels, if it were me I wouldn't drop to 1 hand until I was literally at the barrel starting to turn.. Also, JMHO, it looks like you need to maybe work on your balance.
This is just what I saw and would change/work on if it were me. I've been there, done that...and I've done a lot of the same moves I saw you do in the video just to keep barrels up because my mare is ratey and starts to turn too soon. I try to ride two handed and then she starts to rate so hard and turn early so I grab the horn and slow down. Ugh what can I do to improve that and my balance, I think slow work and exhibitioning will help some so that I can focus on my body position rather than speed.
So I would do the opposite if you feel her rating and wanting to turn....don't go to the horn, you want her to keep going, not reinforce slowing down if she is already doing that too early - stay two handed and push her up into the pocket and when you want her to rate, sit and squeeze with your legs and only when you're at your pivot/turning point then go to your horn.
Staying 2 handed longer will also help, you can use the outside rein a little bit for some collection when she is ready to turn. Right now she looks as though she is only slowing her legs, not shortening her stride and getting that hind end under her around the barrels.
I am riding two cowbred cutter types right now and they are ratey AF. As soon as I touch the horn they are hunkering and turning. See if you can stay 2 handed further into the pocket and that may help with the rating issues. What everyone else said on the balance, core work, etc will help you not have to go to the horn so soon....and I agree with slowing it back down too. Work on 2 handed longer at slower speeds....perfect at slow speeds then increase speed and your balance and confidence will come too.
She is an adorable mare.
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| 2H~QH - 2017-08-08 1:26 PM
Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 9:20 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-08-06 1:05 PM Personally this is what I saw (and I ride a ratey horse so I know): Your horse does look green...like she is kind of lost to 1st. Needs a little more slow-work/practice. Also,I would ride two handed into each of the barrels, your mare is ratey like you said, and if you ride her two handed you might have better luck,. Also, shorten your reins and I think that would help quite a few of the miss-ques. I would also try to go one more stride into each of the barrels, a lot of her rate, though, she is getting from you as I can see you start to slow down your body language into the barrels, but again goes back to 2 handed between barrels, if it were me I wouldn't drop to 1 hand until I was literally at the barrel starting to turn.. Also, JMHO, it looks like you need to maybe work on your balance.
This is just what I saw and would change/work on if it were me. I've been there, done that...and I've done a lot of the same moves I saw you do in the video just to keep barrels up because my mare is ratey and starts to turn too soon. I try to ride two handed and then she starts to rate so hard and turn early so I grab the horn and slow down. Ugh what can I do to improve that and my balance, I think slow work and exhibitioning will help some so that I can focus on my body position rather than speed.
Staying 2 handed longer will also help, you can use the outside rein a little bit for some collection when she is ready to turn. Right now she looks as though she is only slowing her legs, not shortening her stride and getting that hind end under her around the barrels.
I am riding two cowbred cutter types right now and they are ratey AF. As soon as I touch the horn they are hunkering and turning. See if you can stay 2 handed further into the pocket and that may help with the rating issues. What everyone else said on the balance, core work, etc will help you not have to go to the horn so soon....and I agree with slowing it back down too. Work on 2 handed longer at slower speeds....perfect at slow speeds then increase speed and your balance and confidence will come too.
She is an adorable mare.
Perfect advice, I will do that. Yes she is a cowbred cutter horse too, good thing is they will almost never run past a barrel! I noticed that too I need to work on her collection before the barrel, once I get her more tuned on her basics then I am going to start really slow on the pattern and go through rate points better! Thank you! | |
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| Sockittoemred - 2017-08-08 1:05 PM
I will be the odd man out and say I don't think you are that far off the mark! Take those reins up so that they barely make contact with your mares mouth when they touch the front of the saddle horn. Raise your stirrups a half a set. Practice riding your horse a little straighter a little longer into the turn and pull to your hip pocket when you get behind the barrel. I bet you can shave a second and a half off your time! We can all use a clinic and learn to fine tune things. I like your horse and I think you made a great first run for the year! Looks like you had fun and that is the number one goal!
Thank you! I honestly think this little mare could be really competitive if we develop more confidence and clean up our pattern! And if I can ever ride her like I'm not a drunk monkey | |
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| r_beau - 2017-08-08 10:39 AM
I agree with most of what has been said.
There's a Ryan Lovendahl clinic coming up in October in Mandan. I don't know if its full yet or not. They put on a good clinic. PM me if you are interested and I can refer you to the organizer.
I also know there's a Britany Diaz clinic on Sunday near Mandan. Not sure if it is full yet.
I agree with just getting your horse more broke and really being aware of the cues you are giving your horse. For example, your reins are too long and she's not ready to be one-handed. As you go to turn your first barrel, you are crossing your hand to the other side of her neck with your inside rein. You don't want to do that, as that makes them "fall in" more toward the barrel. Instead "lift" with your hand and use your inside leg if you need some shape or to move her out.
You are also leaning a lot coming into the second barrel (leaning forward and leaning in). This will make your horse heavy on the front end. Stay square. And again, do not let that inside hand cross to the other side of the mane. You left the second barrel wide b/c you turned it too soon.
I like your mare and I like your positive attitude. You guys will be well on your way with some riding changes and getting her more broke.
Ugh I have such a problem with leaning, I promise I have been trying to fix that and ride square and sit deep. I was going to attend the Britany Diaz clinic but it was a little out of my price range at this point. Thank you for the advice, I know I need to work on my body positioning and be aware of where my hands are a lot more than I have been. | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | 2H~QH - 2017-08-08 1:26 PM
Prairie Rouge - 2017-08-06 9:20 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-08-06 1:05 PM Personally this is what I saw (and I ride a ratey horse so I know): Your horse does look green...like she is kind of lost to 1st. Needs a little more slow-work/practice. Also,I would ride two handed into each of the barrels, your mare is ratey like you said, and if you ride her two handed you might have better luck,. Also, shorten your reins and I think that would help quite a few of the miss-ques. I would also try to go one more stride into each of the barrels, a lot of her rate, though, she is getting from you as I can see you start to slow down your body language into the barrels, but again goes back to 2 handed between barrels, if it were me I wouldn't drop to 1 hand until I was literally at the barrel starting to turn.. Also, JMHO, it looks like you need to maybe work on your balance.
This is just what I saw and would change/work on if it were me. I've been there, done that...and I've done a lot of the same moves I saw you do in the video just to keep barrels up because my mare is ratey and starts to turn too soon. I try to ride two handed and then she starts to rate so hard and turn early so I grab the horn and slow down. Ugh what can I do to improve that and my balance, I think slow work and exhibitioning will help some so that I can focus on my body position rather than speed.
Staying 2 handed longer will also help, you can use the outside rein a little bit for some collection when she is ready to turn. Right now she looks as though she is only slowing her legs, not shortening her stride and getting that hind end under her around the barrels.
I am riding two cowbred cutter types right now and they are ratey AF. As soon as I touch the horn they are hunkering and turning. See if you can stay 2 handed further into the pocket and that may help with the rating issues. What everyone else said on the balance, core work, etc will help you not have to go to the horn so soon....and I agree with slowing it back down too. Work on 2 handed longer at slower speeds....perfect at slow speeds then increase speed and your balance and confidence will come too.
She is an adorable mare.
THIS!!!
I have cow horses and a good cutting bred mare I run right now and I cannot sit to early or my mare will rate to early. Like others said: ride two handed, especially in your slow work, if you're going to do rate work rate her past the barrel. For ratey horses I like lots of forward motion, Trot 3 circles around each barrel keeping the forward motion, (you can do large to small circles also) pick up her shoulder in your circles, just enough to see her inside eyeball, you don't need to over bend; a wise trainer once told me "bend isn't always your friend". There are ways of keeping the shoulders up without over bending them.
You seem to be on the right track, keep doing what you're doing and like others said, try to find a good trainer or clinic, if not WATCH as many free training videos on YouTube, Facebook and the internet that you can! Fallon Taylor's barrel racing college is GREAT for beginners. Don't discriminate, you can learn something from everyone.
No offense but I watched the whole video and I can only count a small handful of people that actually look like they know what they're doing....not saying there's anything wrong with that but if you want to be more competitive you need to find someone that has the knowledge to teach you!
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