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Location: Northwest | Looking for some ideas and/or opinions on bits..... Horse I'm riding is very supple and soft except for when I make a run he looses collection in the turn. Currently run him in a chain bit with no gag and slow work him in a Paul Humphrey soft correction. Ideas on what to use to keep him collected and under himself in the turns? |
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| Three piece with twisted wire and a dog bone, on short shanks w/ some gag. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | I'd say slow work in whatever bit you're currently using will go a lot further than a new bit. |
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| Just Let Me Run - 2017-08-12 7:18 PM
I'd say slow work in whatever bit you're currently using will go a lot further than a new bit.
I totally agree. Drills slow then get a little faster. Do not make fun at a barrel race any faster than you can control. If lose control back of until you are working perfectly then speed up |
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Location: Northwest | streakysox - 2017-08-12 6:08 PM
Just Let Me Run - 2017-08-12 7:18 PM
I'd say slow work in whatever bit you're currently using will go a lot further than a new bit.
I totally agree. Drills slow then get a little faster. Do not make fun at a barrel race any faster than you can control. If lose control back of until you are working perfectly then speed up
He isn't out of control at a race, not by any stretch of the imagination. He does beautiful slow work. Looking for a bit suggestion that can provide more collection at a run. He has a naturally stiffer style and I'd like a little more roundness. |
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Location: I am not sure most days | Sometimes adding a tie down will help on a horse like that. I had one that did the same thing but, the people I got him from also let him drop into the turn and swing his hiney out so once I corrected that he would then get strung out at a faster run. I had him very soft in the jaw etc, and I am not a heavy handed rider so I put him in a long shank carol goosetree with a snaffle mouthpiece. This helped hold his shoulder up at a run and it helped get him to rock back on his back end so he did not get strung out. |
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Location: Texas | Ed Wright 3 piece twisted locked medium shank |
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| Slow work to teach collection using draw reins and an o-ring. Get control of shoulders, rib cage, and that inside hind leg doing slow work.
Work them around in a bonnet of your choosing in the round pen start out with it really loose and ask them to use themselves. Tighten the bonnet up as needed until they realize hey I need to use myself.
Once they get used to the bonnet in the round pen move to pattern work with it. It will help them collect themselves if adjusted properly.
Edited by runfastturnsmooth 2017-08-13 4:28 PM
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Location: North Dakota | 07milch - 2017-08-12 4:36 PM Looking for some ideas and/or opinions on bits..... Horse I'm riding is very supple and soft except for when I make a run he looses collection in the turn. Currently run him in a chain bit with no gag and slow work him in a Paul Humphrey soft correction. Ideas on what to use to keep him collected and under himself in the turns?
If it ONLY happens when you make a run .... what else are you doing different riding-wise? If that's the only time it happens, I'd be less inclined to suggest a bit change as it just may be something else.
And when you say "loses collection" can you describe more? Is he not finishing the turn? Is he going too deep into the turn b/c he's not ready? Etc?
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| The only bit I can work my mare in is a Paul Humphrey soft correction- I loveeee that bit. So much I signed up for a clinic with Paul to see what he thinks my next option could be- if any. Cuz I haven't found any!! She looses her hind end in a loomis gag and won't stay collected, and anything else she gapes her mouth. I do switch to a tiny twist with german martingale sometimes, but lately its been the PH.
Also- I realized, especially on my first- I was cutting off my pocket too much going in the turn- I switched to coming in more at an angle, rather than going STRAIGHT to my pocket. She worries less now and can see around the barrel more and stays relaxed and collected.
Edited by lopnaround 2017-08-14 11:20 AM
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Location: Loco,Ok | Every horse works well slow. Speed disrupts everything. Most always the horse is comfortable adding speed. It's what they do. All of a sudden the rider is out of their comfort zone. Then just a little at first set up a bit straighter kind of brace up for the turns. The horse is confused.' You can't push and pull at the same time.You brace up they brace up at turns. Then you drop the horse. There's where they come apart. Front endy dive in sling rear through the turns adds steps. Go back send the horse. About 10 ft or so from the barrel set him hard. Set still for a bit let both of you settle at the turn. Be still for a bit. Take a breath relax. Walk the turn. Go to the next barrel repeat. You have to settle and not brace up. Inside foot and lead the horse through the turn with your hand. Learn to turn the switch off. At the set point set still pet him and let him know he can. Might later just set pet him let him take a breath lick his lips. Get off. Loosen cinch and lead him off. They don't forget. Give them relief. |
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| good thread. I'm having the same issue. thanks for the reponses.
What's a bonnet as someone suggested? |
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| BJFS - 2017-08-13 9:09 AM
Sometimes adding a tie down will help on a horse like that. I had one that did the same thing but, the people I got him from also let him drop into the turn and swing his hiney out so once I corrected that he would then get strung out at a faster run. I had him very soft in the jaw etc, and I am not a heavy handed rider so I put him in a long shank carol goosetree with a snaffle mouthpiece. This helped hold his shoulder up at a run and it helped get him to rock back on his back end so he did not get strung out.
Second this ^^ |
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