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Location: PA | Currently loping the pattern, now needs to learn the speed added. But wants to buck/play when adding speed. How do I do this safely w/out the buck/playing? What do you do when you have one wanting to do this? |
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| Does your horse know how to run with a rider in the open? I would find a place (flat field, track, something) and teach the horse to breeze with you, not on the pattern, until the horse knows breezing/running doesn't mean play time, and the horse is confident in running while being ridden. |
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Location: Somewhere else | Yes, please tell me how to do this. Mine is an ex-cutter & ex-western pleasure. Lopes a beautiful pattern, but will not put much effort into actually running. Started him on Breakaway, well if I hadn't caught or throwed my rope by 5 strides, he's gonna buck just enough to get you off balance, then I couldn't get him to go through the barrier. He wouldn't even step over it. Sent him to a trainer and he couldn't get him to open up either. He can flat out fly in the pasture with the other horses but with somebody on his back, nope, he sure isn't gonna put much effort in it.
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| I opened up my old pleasure horse by running with another horse and rider. She got competitive with the other horse and forgot I was up there. She remembered when I pulled to stop, but after that, it wasn't an issue getting her to open up.
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| Are you confident in bucking her out? If not, can you find someone to ride her for you? When I have one that bucks adding speed, I keep kicking and whipping (if needed), keep pushing them to run until they stop bucking. Usually only takes one or two times of running the pattern and pushing them through, until they learn that you mean business! Then when they run a smooth pattern w/out bucking, I let them rest and call it a day =] |
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Location: London Ontario | Katielovestbs - 2017-10-19 12:41 PM
Are you confident in bucking her out? If not, can you find someone to ride her for you? When I have one that bucks adding speed, I keep kicking and whipping (if needed), keep pushing them to run until they stop bucking. Usually only takes one or two times of running the pattern and pushing them through, until they learn that you mean business! Then when they run a smooth pattern w/out bucking, I let them rest and call it a day =]
I agree with this - I try my hardest to not stop the bucking but ride it out if one comes unglued. They often figure out that if they buck once they don't have to do what they were doing. |
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Location: Oklahoma | We teach ours to run with another horse. You have to let yours win once or twice, then get blasted. if they have any desire at all they will try to keep up and learn how to move out. Desire for competition is key. |
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Location: PA | lonely va barrelxr - 2017-10-19 8:27 AM Does your horse know how to run with a rider in the open? I would find a place (flat field, track, something) and teach the horse to breeze with you, not on the pattern, until the horse knows breezing/running doesn't mean play time, and the horse is confident in running while being ridden.
No, this is when wanting to play when trying to breeze him. |
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Location: PA | MC1993 - 2017-10-19 12:22 PM Katielovestbs - 2017-10-19 12:41 PM Are you confident in bucking her out? If not, can you find someone to ride her for you? When I have one that bucks adding speed, I keep kicking and whipping (if needed), keep pushing them to run until they stop bucking. Usually only takes one or two times of running the pattern and pushing them through, until they learn that you mean business! Then when they run a smooth pattern w/out bucking, I let them rest and call it a day =] I agree with this - I try my hardest to not stop the bucking but ride it out if one comes unglued. They often figure out that if they buck once they don't have to do what they were doing.
Nope, I want nothing to do with the bucking, lol......... |
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| Ugh. Sorry to be a downer, but your ex-pleasure horse might not ever run. I had one that had been to a "top pleasure trainer" and they whipped him with a rope when her tried to put on speed. He also crow-hopped at the top of the arena, right where a judge would be looking, when I asked him to lope, would blow the left lead at first, and cross-fired. I finally just rode him through all of the crow hopping, lead blowing and cross firing, but he never would open up and just RUN. He would in the pasture, but wouldn't when anyone was riding him. And the harder I pushed, and the more I used my bat, the slower he got. He was fun to ride, and since I wasn't at a college with a rodeo team, was what I needed in college. I won lots at jackpots, but he never would dig down and make the transition to rodeos.  As I have been told about another horse, sometimes they just don't make it no matter how much potential they have. |
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| I actually did this last night, I have a 4yo that is loping a nice pattern but acts like physically doesn't know how to run. I got a friend to ride my barrel horse and we went out to a nice, cut bean field. I had her stay about 200 feet back and take off with my barrel horse at a sprint, and started with a head start at a lope with my 4yo, we got passed at a steady lope and he quickly figured it out, and it was like the Kentucky derby, slowly took the lead and we left them in the dust. Next time I will probably breeze him alone to see if he will run for me. You can find out if they have a stride this way too! |
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Location: Arizona | I have a cutter/reiner and it took a few times to get her to open up. I breeze her about once a week or more. It took a while at first to get her in really good shape, once I did that then I asked her for a little more each time I took her out to breeze. They have to feel confident enough to open up. Now she's breeze's great and it's so much fun to run her. We haven't added this kind of speed yet to the pattern as we are still working out our turns, but I want her to be in "running" shape. When i ask her for it, she will be ready. :) |
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| BRLRCR1 - 2017-10-19 5:58 PM
MC1993 - 2017-10-19 12:22 PM Katielovestbs - 2017-10-19 12:41 PM Are you confident in bucking her out? If not, can you find someone to ride her for you? When I have one that bucks adding speed, I keep kicking and whipping (if needed), keep pushing them to run until they stop bucking. Usually only takes one or two times of running the pattern and pushing them through, until they learn that you mean business! Then when they run a smooth pattern w/out bucking, I let them rest and call it a day =] I agree with this - I try my hardest to not stop the bucking but ride it out if one comes unglued. They often figure out that if they buck once they don't have to do what they were doing.
Have someone ride her for you =] She's going to need to get past that.
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Location: PA | TxRanchWoman - 2017-10-20 11:16 AM Ugh. Sorry to be a downer, but your ex-pleasure horse might not ever run. I had one that had been to a "top pleasure trainer" and they whipped him with a rope when her tried to put on speed. He also crow-hopped at the top of the arena, right where a judge would be looking, when I asked him to lope, would blow the left lead at first, and cross-fired. I finally just rode him through all of the crow hopping, lead blowing and cross firing, but he never would open up and just RUN. He would in the pasture, but wouldn't when anyone was riding him. And the harder I pushed, and the more I used my bat, the slower he got. He was fun to ride, and since I wasn't at a college with a rodeo team, was what I needed in college. I won lots at jackpots, but he never would dig down and make the transition to rodeos. As I have been told about another horse, sometimes they just don't make it no matter how much potential they have.
Oh can run, lol........... When asked he wants to buck and play and RUN! I need to get he buck & play out is what I need help with! :) |
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| Get in a closed gate smaller arena or 60 ft round pen. Starting loping when the horse wants to play set him down and immedately go the other way turning to the outside and keeping the hind end engaged still...kinda like a roll back. You feel the horse start to "come apart" set down and go the other way. This makes one really tired...teaches them not to back when they are bucking out of play. Once you have a lathered up tired pony put them on the pattern. The play will be gone. |
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| For the first time in a long time, I started one on the pattern that wasn't off the track. I had forgotten that I would need to teach him to really reach out and MOVE. Breezing in the pasture will teach them this, make it a fun game and don't run them out of air.
As for the bucking, until your horse matures, just warm him up on the lunge line until your confident the edge is gone. I warmed my young horse up this way for the better part of a year, just to avoid any "situations" like you described. No reason to not warm one up before you get on.
If he's still bucking when he's frothy, you probably have a pain issue somewhere. |
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