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| *almost there* - 2017-11-28 12:35 AM
slacy09 - 2017-11-27 7:38 PM
Also she is barefoot. She's never been shod
I don’t think the problem is she is barefoot. Something doesn’t look right in her balance, it’s almost like she’s an uncollected gaited horse. Keep us updated what you find out.
This is also what I was thinking. Her footfalls are off -- it's almost like she is four-beating a lope instead of having three distinct beats, especially to the left. |
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| Thinking about this some more, I've seen a horse with an underlying neurological problem move like this -- unbalanced, head high and back braced, hind end and front end disjointed, almost shuffling gait. |
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Location: North Dakota | slacy09 - 2017-11-27 3:27 PM so she had a rough start in her training and is mentally behind. She's so short strided it's hard for me to tell if she's collected and I hate the way she carries her head. At a walk it's parallel to the ground on a lose rein. The minute we trot or lope that head comes up and she just wants to go fast! Any advice. https://youtu.be/wy74Lug0204
I do not intend to sound harsh or mean so I apologize if it comes off that way, but if you can't tell that your horse is NOT collected, I think you need to get some lessons for yourself. (Because she is very much NOT collected.) Is there a reining trainer or an english trainer near you?
I agree that she looks very uncomfortable. She's bracing with her face and neck, and pretty short in stride. Plus her tail is going like crazy. She looks worse going to the left. It could just be training, but it probably wouldn't hurt for her to have a full lameness eval and look everything over.
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | I agree with the others, shes in pain somewhere for sure. id be getting a full lameness exam done, along with teeth and chiro. Something looks way off in that hind end. |
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Location: South Georgia | I could only watch for a few seconds...lame was my first thought. By no means is she collected, just because she's loping relatively slowly. Speed is not collection. A nice rounded back and soft mouth giving to the bit vertically is collection. |
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| She looks like she is hurting. The bracing and hollow back with the tail swishing is the red flag. Could you try to make a video of loose reins at a trot? |
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Location: TEXAS | Thanks everyone for the input and advice. I'm going to get her into the vet and I'll let ya'll know what I find out!!! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | What does she move like on the ground? Like if you free lunge her in a round pen? |
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Location: TEXAS | r_beau - 2017-11-28 8:37 AM slacy09 - 2017-11-27 3:27 PM so she had a rough start in her training and is mentally behind. She's so short strided it's hard for me to tell if she's collected and I hate the way she carries her head. At a walk it's parallel to the ground on a lose rein. The minute we trot or lope that head comes up and she just wants to go fast! Any advice. https://youtu.be/wy74Lug0204
I agree that she looks very uncomfortable. She's bracing with her face and neck, and pretty short in stride. Plus her tail is going like crazy. She looks worse going to the left. It could just be training, but it probably wouldn't hurt for her to have a full lameness eval and look everything over.
No I understand that you are trying to help  I know that teaching a horse collection is definitely not an area I am knowledgable in!! I need to make a video of my big gelding and see if I have him collected. The concept of getting them to round their back and teaching it is so hard for me. I've watched many videos and read and read on it and I just can't seem to grasp the concept....sigh. The only trainer I know around here is a western pleasure trainer and she barrel races. Maybe she could help me?? |
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Location: South Georgia | slacy09 - 2017-11-28 1:38 PM r_beau - 2017-11-28 8:37 AM slacy09 - 2017-11-27 3:27 PM so she had a rough start in her training and is mentally behind. She's so short strided it's hard for me to tell if she's collected and I hate the way she carries her head. At a walk it's parallel to the ground on a lose rein. The minute we trot or lope that head comes up and she just wants to go fast! Any advice. https://youtu.be/wy74Lug0204
I agree that she looks very uncomfortable. She's bracing with her face and neck, and pretty short in stride. Plus her tail is going like crazy. She looks worse going to the left. It could just be training, but it probably wouldn't hurt for her to have a full lameness eval and look everything over.
She should be able to. They have to be super soft in the mouth and giving when you pick up on the reins. Then, once they can be soft and give vertically, you can use your legs and seat to push them up into your hands to hold a frame. Eventually, they learn to carry themselves this way when a rider enforces it and rewards it. |
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Location: ND | slacy09 - 2017-11-28 11:38 AM
r_beau - 2017-11-28 8:37 AM slacy09 - 2017-11-27 3:27 PM so she had a rough start in her training and is mentally behind. She's so short strided it's hard for me to tell if she's collected and I hate the way she carries her head. At a walk it's parallel to the ground on a lose rein. The minute we trot or lope that head comes up and she just wants to go fast! Any advice. https://youtu.be/wy74Lug0204
I agree that she looks very uncomfortable. She's bracing with her face and neck, and pretty short in stride. Plus her tail is going like crazy. She looks worse going to the left. It could just be training, but it probably wouldn't hurt for her to have a full lameness eval and look everything over.
I would definitely talk to her & see if she'd help you out. I know many are anti pleasure horse but the basics of collection are the same regardless of discipline. And honestly, if she would let you get on one of her horses so you can feel what you're working towards it helps so much. At least for me, I have to feel things, I can read all the books & watch a million video's & things don't click until I feel it for myself. |
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| I agree with all the others. I am not one to normally go to lameness but something is off in the back end. I think even her transitions are a mess and shows how off balanced and uncollected she is. You also have her bent too far to the inside which throws her hip out and causes her back end to flail. My young mare went through a phase where we just rode, I took her on traisl, weaved trees, got the mail. Got her comfortable carrying me and moving off my legs, listening to my seat, etc. Then we started to work on collection. She is also a very short strided horse. I will see if I can find a video from day 1 of collection training.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIceuVmehk
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Location: North Dakota | slacy09 - 2017-11-28 12:38 PM r_beau - 2017-11-28 8:37 AM slacy09 - 2017-11-27 3:27 PM so she had a rough start in her training and is mentally behind. She's so short strided it's hard for me to tell if she's collected and I hate the way she carries her head. At a walk it's parallel to the ground on a lose rein. The minute we trot or lope that head comes up and she just wants to go fast! Any advice. https://youtu.be/wy74Lug0204
I agree that she looks very uncomfortable. She's bracing with her face and neck, and pretty short in stride. Plus her tail is going like crazy. She looks worse going to the left. It could just be training, but it probably wouldn't hurt for her to have a full lameness eval and look everything over.
If she teaches western pleasure the correct way, she should be able to help you feel what collection should feel like. In order to travel correctly, they must have their back rounded and hind legs under them, driving from behind.
I'd probably see if you could take lessons on trained horses first, so you know what it feels like, then start taking lessons on your own horse.
I'd also ask around -- there are sure to be other trainers in your area that you just don't know about. I myself try to ride at least a few times a year with both my reining trainer and my english trainer. I'd like to go more often, but life is just busy! I do "cheat" every spring. One of my two horses goes to the reining trainer for 30 days every year in the spring. He gets them in shape and tuned up for me -- I love it!
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Location: TEXAS | Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??  |
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| slacy09 - 2017-11-29 10:30 AM
Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??
I always wonder what causes such dramatic wear and tear on some but I know a lot of people who have needed some heavy maintenance on their young ones. |
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Location: North Dakota | slacy09 - 2017-11-29 10:30 AM Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??
She could be built straight in the stifle, which affects soundness, or she could have weak stifles which can also cause inflammation. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | slacy09 - 2017-11-29 10:30 AM Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??
That's too bad, but they don't only hurt their stifles by being ridden. We had one blow his just spooking when someone startled him as they filled his water bucket. The rapid-fast down to his belly and turn cutting move he did hurt him severely and he had to have injections...he was two. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | If there was a lot of fluid on her stifle I would have it xrayed before I did anything. She could have OCD lesions that need to be addressed. |
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Location: TEXAS | Tilt The Kilt - 2017-11-29 5:28 PM slacy09 - 2017-11-29 10:30 AM Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??
That makes sense too. The way she was treated when she was 2 by the first trainer could have caused this. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | slacy09 - 2017-11-30 8:52 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2017-11-29 5:28 PM slacy09 - 2017-11-29 10:30 AM Vet said it is her right stifle and that she is carrying a lot of fluid on it. How does a 4 yr old with very little riding already need stifle injections??
Sorry to hear that.  Hope she gets the treatment she needs and you can see how she comes along once she's not hurting. |
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