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| Good thing there's more than one way to skin a cat.. I don't think there is one incorrect reply on here... you do what works for you and your horse. I rode and competed in hunter jumpers most of my life.. there was times in equitation classes the judges would ask you to counter canter... I rode very VERY finished horses that still needed to know a cue as to which lead I wanted... I'm sure majority will know.. a counter canter is picking up the opposite lead to the durection you are traveling. |
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| I think one of the best VIDEOS of someone cueing a reining horse is the Stacy Westfall's freestyle reining video. I can't make a link on my phone but maybe someone can. Note how she cues the horse from a standstill. This is not a green horse. As I said before. Consistency is essential. Watch YouTube. STACY WESTFALL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RUN 2006. It is sensational
Stacy westfall is not blind. That went around for awhile. She is one of the top reining trainers in the US. That is a client's horse
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Location: Somewhere around here | streakysox - 2017-12-26 5:36 PM
I think one of the best VIDEOS of someone cueing a reining horse is the Stacy Westfall's freestyle reining video. I can't make a link on my phone but maybe someone can. Note how she cues the horse from a standstill. This is not a green horse. As I said before. Consistency is essential. Watch YouTube. STACY WESTFALL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP RUN 2006. It is sensational
Stacy westfall is not blind. That went around for awhile. She is one of the top reining trainers in the US. That is a client's horse
https://youtu.be/TKK7AXLOUNo
Here's the link!
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| I usually lift my inside rein just a hair, support the ribs with my inside leg and then bump with my outside leg. A lot of people I know pull their head to the outside but I've never been able to accomplish much with that other then teach them to drop their shoulder. |
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| I really enjoyed reading all the responses on this. I believe whatever works for you and your horse is best. Also as a general guideline I've been told:
Asking with the outside leg is more of a beginner's way/green horse way to do it.
Asking with your inside leg is for the more experienced and keeps a slight bend for the direction you are going also (only really matters for being in an area).
When running barrels you shouldn't have to ask. At this point you should be on a horse that already knows.
Just wanted to add my insight! Great topic to cover. |
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Location: North Dakota | Jenbabe - 2017-12-22 10:18 PM I want my horse to move off of pressure, not into it. With that training in mind, I use my outside leg to ask for the lead. There are a lot of little tricks you can do if you have a green horse not wanting to pick up leads, but I've found one of the easiest things is to step your weight into the outside stirrup and pick up the inside rein when asking them lope. When transitioning from a trot to a lope, if you're posting the correct diagonal it's much easier to get the correct lead. Honestly, leads have rarely every been an issue for me, and that is thanks to a western pleasure trainer and stubborn horse that really made me pay attention and cue correctly. I think a lot of it has to do with with feel and timing. I have a question for those of you that use the inside leg. How do you cue for the horse to do things that require them to move off of leg pressure (pivoting, two-tracking, counter-canter, etc)? I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this!
Same here!! I am struggling with wrapping my mind around getting the horse to move into pressure instead of off it. I spend hours in the saddle every week to get my horses light and responsive OFF the pressure. |
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| i would u-tube with some of the reiners and watch them until you find one that suits you. i watch a lot of reining training videos. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-12-27 12:11 PM
Jenbabe - 2017-12-22 10:18 PM I want my horse to move off of pressure, not into it. With that training in mind, I use my outside leg to ask for the lead. There are a lot of little tricks you can do if you have a green horse not wanting to pick up leads, but I've found one of the easiest things is to step your weight into the outside stirrup and pick up the inside rein when asking them lope. When transitioning from a trot to a lope, if you're posting the correct diagonal it's much easier to get the correct lead. Honestly, leads have rarely every been an issue for me, and that is thanks to a western pleasure trainer and stubborn horse that really made me pay attention and cue correctly. I think a lot of it has to do with with feel and timing. I have a question for those of you that use the inside leg. How do you cue for the horse to do things that require them to move off of leg pressure (pivoting, two-tracking, counter-canter, etc)? I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this!
Same here!! I am struggling with wrapping my mind around getting the horse to move into pressure instead of off it. I spend hours in the saddle every week to get my horses light and responsive OFF the pressure.
I wouldn't say that if you use your inside leg that your horse is moving toward the pressure, the horse is keeping their shoulder up. Now I would say a horse is moving into the pressure if he becomes front end heavy and pushes on your leg. |
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Location: North Dakota | want2chase3 - 2017-12-26 5:52 PM Good thing there's more than one way to skin a cat.. I don't think there is one incorrect reply on here... you do what works for you and your horse. I rode and competed in hunter jumpers most of my life.. there was times in equitation classes the judges would ask you to counter canter... I rode very VERY finished horses that still needed to know a cue as to which lead I wanted... I'm sure majority will know.. a counter canter is picking up the opposite lead to the durection you are traveling.
Yup, same in western classes! It is always very challenging because the horse wants to be on the lead that is easier for them, so teaching them to HOLD whatever lead you tell them adds a degree of difficulty. |
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| I lift inside shoulder to shape them and use inside foot when I'm training them. after a little while I just push my inside foot and smooch and they take the lead I'm asking for. |
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Location: West Texas | It you use your inside leg, how do you ask for a lead change? Wouldn't that be impossible?
There is a reason horsemen use the hind end over with outside leg. It's because it is correct. It's easy to get a horse into the correct lead. Using the inside leg keeps the shoulder up, that is a key part in getting the lead. But if you never advance beyond that, there is a whole lot of horsemanship left that you can never uncover. |
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| Mine can do it both ways. I like moving the hip the best I always thought it encouraged leading with the hind instead of leading with the front.but I can ask with the inside and they will lope off out of a trot. |
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