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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:19 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:10 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 9:54 AM NJJ - 2018-02-21 8:27 AM Seems to be the question of ....Were the "buybacks" a part of the original rules or IF the American changed the rules mid-stream .... I can't find anything about "Buybacks" in the original rules on the BBR ..... They've kinda always made up the rules as they go every year. So it is not a big deal and buy backs were added a few months ago.
Lots of people might have entered a qualifier if they knew that from the beginning. Self doubt is a big killer of dreams. If you knew you could do a buy back, you might have entered.
It could be a problem if a buy back displaces someone who didn't buy back and they win the huge prize, and the original rules were not in place. You can't displace anyone? The ones that have made it made it and will run in a performance.
They had I think like 5 qualifers were the buy back was already in place. Some other things they've added as they went the previous years was qualify run horse run a different, pros can decline and exemption to run at a chance for the million, qualifying more than one horse the first year. None of these things were ever stated in black and white when it started but added later.
It used to be like a set number of qualifers now there are more than enough chances. I'm in favor of the buy backs tho, usually its just more money in the pot.
If one of the buy backs makes the finals and wins the whole thing, yes they did displace #2 who won a spot during the last rounds of qualifying and wasn't a buy back in the final round - the end of the race.
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| I don't look at that as displacing they both are advancing to the next round.
Well BC on Sucker Punch and Stoney sure can displace some ppl. He might even be 2 of the top 3 without slipping this time lol
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:22 AM I don't look at that as displacing they both are advancing to the next round. Well BC on Sucker Punch and Stoney sure can displace some ppl. He might even be 2 of the top 3 without slipping this time lol
The whole point is - if the buy back wasn't made public from the very beginning, they changed the rules mid stream. |
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| 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:35 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:22 AM I don't look at that as displacing they both are advancing to the next round. Well BC on Sucker Punch and Stoney sure can displace some ppl. He might even be 2 of the top 3 without slipping this time lol
The whole point is - if the buy back wasn't made public from the very beginning, they changed the rules mid stream.  Â
It's kinda what they have always done lol
Be ready for changes at the American bc each lil part puts their's together and then all events come together...there are always lots of change ups |
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Location: Louisiana | 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:35 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:22 AM I don't look at that as displacing they both are advancing to the next round. Well BC on Sucker Punch and Stoney sure can displace some ppl. He might even be 2 of the top 3 without slipping this time lol
The whole point is - if the buy back wasn't made public from the very beginning, they changed the rules mid stream.  Â
I totally get what you're saying...but if you entered a qualifier race not expecting made up rules and changes at some point, well....it's happened every year so it's a chance you take when you spend that $500.
Not saying I agree or disagree, I don't have a horse in the race...but they've shown in past years they like to spice things up with changes LOL |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | I found it on the BBR site http://www.bbrdata.com/Updater/uploads/The%20American/SemiFinals/BUYBACKDRAW.pdf
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| Brandon and Stoney with a 13.5!!  
I hate that Folsom Prisoner was hurt and RR mistakenly got the call in slack but glad Stoney got to show his stuff in the Buy Back  |
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Location: Texas | My question is, if you have already qualified in the top 30 and you buyback, can you ultimately have two runs in the perfs or do you give up your spot in the 30 to buyback? I saw one person, who qualfied in the top 30, but bought back. She had two horses entered, was in the top 30 on one and not the other, but bought back on both horses. I might have missed the explanation on this but just wondering how that works. |
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| TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-02-22 9:28 AM
My question is, if you have already qualified in the top 30 and you buyback, can you ultimately have two runs in the perfs or do you give up your spot in the 30 to buyback? I saw one person, who qualfied in the top 30, but bought back. She had two horses entered, was in the top 30 on one and not the other, but bought back on both horses. I might have missed the explanation on this but just wondering how that works. Â
They will run in 2 different performances and have 2 chances to advance then.
They could advance and then on Sunday run both horses at the actual American.
If they advance past the first run at the actual American they might even run both in the final run down.
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Location: Texas | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-22 9:37 AM TXBarrelRacer84 - 2018-02-22 9:28 AM My question is, if you have already qualified in the top 30 and you buyback, can you ultimately have two runs in the perfs or do you give up your spot in the 30 to buyback? I saw one person, who qualfied in the top 30, but bought back. She had two horses entered, was in the top 30 on one and not the other, but bought back on both horses. I might have missed the explanation on this but just wondering how that works. They will run in 2 different performances and have 2 chances to advance then. They could advance and then on Sunday run both horses at the actual American. If they advance past the first run at the actual American they might even run both in the final run down. It gives them 2 shots.
Oh okay. Thanks for the information. I wondered if that was the case, but I wasn't sure. |
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| Needmocash2 - 2018-02-22 10:17 PM Was there any pay out in the "buy backs"?
$1000 each to the top 3. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2018-02-23 6:10 AM
Needmocash2 - 2018-02-22 10:17 PM Was there any pay out in the "buy backs"?
 $1000 each to the top 3.  Â
I'd like to see where the other 39k or however much is was went...was it in someone's pocket? was it to the million purse?
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:21 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:19 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:10 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 9:54 AM NJJ - 2018-02-21 8:27 AM Seems to be the question of ....Were the "buybacks" a part of the original rules or IF the American changed the rules mid-stream .... I can't find anything about "Buybacks" in the original rules on the BBR ..... They've kinda always made up the rules as they go every year. So it is not a big deal and buy backs were added a few months ago.
Lots of people might have entered a qualifier if they knew that from the beginning. Self doubt is a big killer of dreams. If you knew you could do a buy back, you might have entered.
It could be a problem if a buy back displaces someone who didn't buy back and they win the huge prize, and the original rules were not in place. You can't displace anyone? The ones that have made it made it and will run in a performance. They had I think like 5 qualifers were the buy back was already in place. Some other things they've added as they went the previous years was qualify run horse run a different, pros can decline and exemption to run at a chance for the million, qualifying more than one horse the first year. None of these things were ever stated in black and white when it started but added later. It used to be like a set number of qualifers now there are more than enough chances. I'm in favor of the buy backs tho, usually its just more money in the pot.
Almost anyone of that set of 280 had a legit chance of making it through, that was the toughest race I had ever watched.... The buyback just added to it and I would almost bet the contestants knew about the buyback upon entering, or were told before they ever annouced it.
At first I was like that aint right, but then I thought the same about having D's at races. I starting racing in a winner take all.... I love the D's! everyone has a shot somewhere and it encourages more to go and enter. And to me when they change a rule it just another plot twist... it's exciting! And if a buyback happens to win it... KUDDO'S! they dam sure earned it! getting through those semi's would be hard enough, let alone beat the NFR girls there... I CANT WAIT! This aint your average rodeo 
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| cindyt - 2018-02-23 8:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:21 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:19 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:10 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 9:54 AM NJJ - 2018-02-21 8:27 AM Seems to be the question of ....Were the "buybacks" a part of the original rules or IF the American changed the rules mid-stream .... I can't find anything about "Buybacks" in the original rules on the BBR ..... They've kinda always made up the rules as they go every year. So it is not a big deal and buy backs were added a few months ago.
Lots of people might have entered a qualifier if they knew that from the beginning. Self doubt is a big killer of dreams. If you knew you could do a buy back, you might have entered.
It could be a problem if a buy back displaces someone who didn't buy back and they win the huge prize, and the original rules were not in place. You can't displace anyone? The ones that have made it made it and will run in a performance.
They had I think like 5 qualifers were the buy back was already in place. Some other things they've added as they went the previous years was qualify run horse run a different, pros can decline and exemption to run at a chance for the million, qualifying more than one horse the first year. None of these things were ever stated in black and white when it started but added later.
It used to be like a set number of qualifers now there are more than enough chances. I'm in favor of the buy backs tho, usually its just more money in the pot.
Almost anyone of that set of 280 had a legit chance of making it through, that was the toughest race I had ever watched.... The buyback just added to it and I would almost bet the contestants knew about the buyback upon entering, or were told before they ever annouced it.
At first I was like that aint right, but then I thought the same about having D's at races. I starting racing in a winner take all.... I love the D's! everyone has a shot somewhere and it encourages more to go and enter. And to me when they change a rule it just another plot twist... it's exciting! And if a buyback happens to win it... KUDDO'S! they dam sure earned it! getting through those semi's would be hard enough, let alone beat the NFR girls there... I CANT WAIT! This aint your average rodeo
They actually had to register to run in the slack and each were notified then BUT they buy back was in place like 4 months ago maybe? I'm not sure but 3 or 4 qualifers were ran after the buy backs were set up....I feel like most ppl just didn't keep up with it to be aware of it.
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3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:21 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:19 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:10 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 9:54 AM NJJ - 2018-02-21 8:27 AM Seems to be the question of ....Were the "buybacks" a part of the original rules or IF the American changed the rules mid-stream .... I can't find anything about "Buybacks" in the original rules on the BBR .....  They've kinda always made up the rules as they go every year. So it is not a big deal and buy backs were added a few months ago.
Lots of people might have entered a qualifier if they knew that from the beginning. Self doubt is a big killer of dreams. If you knew you could do a buy back, you might have entered.Â
It could be a problem if a buy back displaces someone who didn't buy back and they win the huge prize, and the original rules were not in place.  You can't displace anyone? The ones that have made it made it and will run in a performance. They had I think like 5 qualifers were the buy back was already in place. Some other things they've added as they went the previous years was qualify run horse run a different, pros can decline and exemption to run at a chance for the million, qualifying more than one horse the first year. None of these things were ever stated in black and white when it started but added later. It used to be like a set number of qualifers now there are more than enough chances. I'm in favor of the buy backs tho, usually its just more money in the pot.Â
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Almost anyone of that set of 280 had a legit chance of making it through, that was the toughest race I had ever watched.... The buyback just added to it and I would almost bet the contestants knew about the buyback upon entering, or were told before they ever annouced it. Â
At first I was like that aint right, but then I thought the same about having D's at races. I starting racing in a winner take all.... I love the D's! everyone has a shot somewhere and it encourages more to go and enter. And to me when they change a rule it just another plot twist... it's exciting!  And if a buyback happens to win it... KUDDO'S! they dam sure earned it! getting through those semi's would be hard enough, let alone beat the NFR girls there...  I CANT WAIT!  This aint your average rodeo
They don't make up the rules for the contestants benefit. They do it for the spectators! The American is a spectators event! Encouraging the support and growth of rodeo's fan base. Anything to add to the excitement! |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | BamaCanChaser - 2018-02-23 11:15 AM cindyt - 2018-02-23 8:18 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:21 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 10:19 AM 3canstorun - 2018-02-21 9:10 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-21 9:54 AM NJJ - 2018-02-21 8:27 AM Seems to be the question of ....Were the "buybacks" a part of the original rules or IF the American changed the rules mid-stream .... I can't find anything about "Buybacks" in the original rules on the BBR ..... They've kinda always made up the rules as they go every year. So it is not a big deal and buy backs were added a few months ago.
Lots of people might have entered a qualifier if they knew that from the beginning. Self doubt is a big killer of dreams. If you knew you could do a buy back, you might have entered.
It could be a problem if a buy back displaces someone who didn't buy back and they win the huge prize, and the original rules were not in place. You can't displace anyone? The ones that have made it made it and will run in a performance.
They had I think like 5 qualifers were the buy back was already in place. Some other things they've added as they went the previous years was qualify run horse run a different, pros can decline and exemption to run at a chance for the million, qualifying more than one horse the first year. None of these things were ever stated in black and white when it started but added later.
It used to be like a set number of qualifers now there are more than enough chances. I'm in favor of the buy backs tho, usually its just more money in the pot.
Almost anyone of that set of 280 had a legit chance of making it through, that was the toughest race I had ever watched.... The buyback just added to it and I would almost bet the contestants knew about the buyback upon entering, or were told before they ever annouced it.
At first I was like that aint right, but then I thought the same about having D's at races. I starting racing in a winner take all.... I love the D's! everyone has a shot somewhere and it encourages more to go and enter. And to me when they change a rule it just another plot twist... it's exciting! And if a buyback happens to win it... KUDDO'S! they dam sure earned it! getting through those semi's would be hard enough, let alone beat the NFR girls there... I CANT WAIT! This aint your average rodeo They don't make up the rules for the contestants benefit. They do it for the spectators! The American is a spectators event! Encouraging the support and growth of rodeo's fan base. Anything to add to the excitement!
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