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Location: Cocoa, Florida | rpreast - 2018-04-20 9:51 AM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 6:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
Yes and no. If you find one that is a drop out before their futurity year, then they've only got about a years worth of cow horse boot camp so they're not worn down like a finished show horse would be. Also there's a lot more size/bone coming out of the trendy cow horse breeding than there was years ago. I've got a 4 yr old who's all cow bred and she's 15.1hh with a lot of bone and substance.
Since I’ve ridden a bunch I know which bloodlines work the best on barrels (usually- or that I like) and I buy them as colts before they’re started. The best ones I’ve had are the ones that have dayworked a few years first.
My peotoboonsmal and dual peps were bigger boned, the older doc bars were also bigger
My mare I’m running now docs Solano, bob acre doc and peppy San badger mare is smaller boned then I would like but she has great feet and is super super athletic. | |
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| RnRJack - 2018-04-20 10:18 AM
rpreast - 2018-04-20 9:51 AM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 6:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
Yes and no. If you find one that is a drop out before their futurity year, then they've only got about a years worth of cow horse boot camp so they're not worn down like a finished show horse would be. Also there's a lot more size/bone coming out of the trendy cow horse breeding than there was years ago. I've got a 4 yr old who's all cow bred and she's 15.1hh with a lot of bone and substance.
Since I’ve ridden a bunch I know which bloodlines work the best on barrels (usually- or that I like ) and I buy them as colts before they’re started. The best ones I’ve had are the ones that have dayworked a few years first.
My peotoboonsmal and dual peps were bigger boned, the older doc bars were also bigger
My mare I’m running now docs Solano, bob acre doc and peppy San badger mare is smaller boned then I would like but she has great feet and is super super athletic.
I would also agree with this. I grew up riding a stud and his babies who was a cutter "reject" and he ran sound into his 20s and most of his babies did too. They were natural athletes. He was a Docs Prescription and Poco Bueno Bred horse. He crossed really well on anything from other cutters to OTTB.
They are naturally athletic but most of them had a bit of "tude." It wasn't anything horrible but they could be a little ornery, I think that's what made them so great though. | |
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| CanCan - 2018-04-19 7:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
I guess you'd have passed on Fat Louie too since he was a cow horse pushed for futuries? Yes, I know he was shown in NRCHA not cutting but every discipline starts them early. Race, barrels, etc....Just because something was worked hard before it was 5 doesn't mean its a lameness case. It isn't about how early they were started it is about how well they are maintained and handled.
We have very few Iron horses these days but I feel like that's because we are just better at noticing, detecting, and listening to know when one is hurting. Old days it was just get a bigger bit or turn them out. Most futurity ppl don't even tune at shows anymore. The game has changed.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-04-20 1:26 PM
CanCan - 2018-04-19 7:28 PM
RnRJack - 2018-04-19 5:13 PM
pippy - 2018-04-19 9:39 AM
Cow-bred horses. If you want to invest in a horse that starts clocking right away, look for a cutting horse that was prepped or shown in futurities and doesn't have much of a career left in the cow horse pen. They take to barrels like fish to water, but one should know how to use their legs and seat when patterning and seasoning these types of horses, they are quick and not for the faint of heart.
This! Many people turn their heads because they’re smaller, and I’ve find the smaller catty ones are harder to ride but oh so worth it in the end!
But you are probably looking at a good deal of rear end injections and a fairly short career because they start them so young, the horses are small boned, and they are loped miles of circles daily.
I guess you'd have passed on Fat Louie too since he was a cow horse pushed for futuries? Yes, I know he was shown in NRCHA not cutting but every discipline starts them early. Race, barrels, etc....Just because something was worked hard before it was 5 doesn't mean its a lameness case. It isn't about how early they were started it is about how well they are maintained and handled.
We have very few Iron horses these days but I feel like that's because we are just better at noticing, detecting, and listening to know when one is hurting. Old days it was just get a bigger bit or turn them out. Most futurity ppl don't even tune at shows anymore. The game has changed.
I’d rather have a cutting reject rather then an overbred barrel prospect anyday! I feel like people are breeding the big names more now then looking for ones with good bone, feet, and brains. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Frenchmans Fabulous. Only delt with 2 but man both are super nice!! Both out of completely different mares and both took to the pattern like a duck to water. Everything came easy from the first saddling on and you could give them a couple month break and they would ride off and work like they were rode yesterday. Super nice horses. | |
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| If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse.
I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2018-04-22 10:56 AM If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse. I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer. Since your saying this horse is keeping up with the pro horses, is your trainer running Pro on this horse? If so how is she doing against/placing with the pro horses and what Pro horses is she running against, just curious since we have heard so much about this horse for you. 
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2018-04-17 1:25 PM
Kinda like potty training kids--some will train early, but most of them aren't going to train until 3. You can start at 2 and struggle for a year, or you can wait until they're ready and get it done fast.
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Location: bring on the heat, NV | Thats tricky im not much for the barrel side of things but heres a few things to think about to in narrowing your search...
What do you like 4wd? Hotter or steady eddy? Sensitive or laid back? Free runner or ratey? Where are you at competition wise local 4D? Filling a permit? Jackpots? Rodeos? Gymkhanas? what frame do you prefer? Light and narrow, fast, heavy, or somewhere in between? Long strided horses?
What kind of pens do you typically run in?? Smaller pen id think you what something quicker. large pen youll need fast and some stamina?? A horse can be quick but not fast just a thought ;) or vice versa.
Im usually after something in the middle about 15H balanced, quick but still some speed, good SMART thinking mind, nothing to "needy" that annoys me LOL but something that has kid potential for JR rodeo later down the line. I like horses with older ranchy stuff esp on the bottom and i really like that crossed on somthing money earning on top. I have two hollywood dunit grand gets that I adore and a miss n cash grand daughter that i really like. I had a PG Dry Fire and wished id have kept her out of a more older school breeding mare. Seems like the driftwoods mature a little later but they are tough tough athletic and gentle for the most part depends on how they are raised too. Why not try a 5/6 yo that's going already?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-22 12:13 PM
streakysox - 2018-04-22 10:56 AM If you like the horse, I will give you two suggestions. Either be patienr and let the horse come along at its own speed or if is worth investing in send it to a trainer who is honest and keep you informed about the ability and progress of the horse. I sent a horse to a trainer and she was futuritied her four year old. She did very well but really did not mature until she was five. She was a completely different horse. She won three world championships last year(one AQHA) and now is running right with the NFR girls at pro rodeos. If we had given up on her as a four year old, we would have given up on an extremely talented horse. I do have enough sense to know that without her trainer she would be just another pretty nice 1D horse. Her sister is the exact same way--late bloomer. Since your saying this horse is keeping up with the pro horses, is your trainer running Pro on this horse? If so how is she doing against/placing with the pro horses and what Pro horses is she running against, just curious since we have heard so much about this horse for you.
She is doing very well. | |
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Location: Montana | moapajetrider - 2018-04-22 10:24 PM Thats tricky im not much for the barrel side of things but heres a few things to think about to in narrowing your search...
What do you like 4wd? Hotter or steady eddy? Sensitive or laid back? Free runner or ratey? Where are you at competition wise local 4D? Filling a permit? Jackpots? Rodeos? Gymkhanas? what frame do you prefer? Light and narrow, fast, heavy, or somewhere in between? Long strided horses?
What kind of pens do you typically run in?? Smaller pen id think you what something quicker. large pen youll need fast and some stamina?? A horse can be quick but not fast just a thought ;) or vice versa.
Im usually after something in the middle about 15H balanced, quick but still some speed, good SMART thinking mind, nothing to "needy" that annoys me LOL but something that has kid potential for JR rodeo later down the line. I like horses with older ranchy stuff esp on the bottom and i really like that crossed on somthing money earning on top. I have two hollywood dunit grand gets that I adore and a miss n cash grand daughter that i really like. I had a PG Dry Fire and wished id have kept her out of a more older school breeding mare. Seems like the driftwoods mature a little later but they are tough tough athletic and gentle for the most part depends on how they are raised too. Why not try a 5/6 yo that's going already?
I have a Playgun/Easy Jet bred gelding (not PG Dry Fire) but I LOVE him! He remembers, he's smart, he's quick, he's catty, he's smooth, he's got the speed, and I can jump on him bareback after not having ridden him for a month. He will make a good horse, and the trainer he's with thinks he will too. This horse has the moves and the personality and the build, I'm so excited to get him back from barrel training! | |
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