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Location: In The Land of Cotton | westrnridr - 2018-04-27 7:33 PM
I'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it.
If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program.
You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.
Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now...
I don’t think that’s the problem. Most of us just want the details from Pink Buckle not FB and hear say. Everyone I have talked to is excited.
Surely you understand that Jason/Charlie.
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| westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now... Â I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.
With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.
However I have two major concerns.
If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.
Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.
You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it
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Location: Tenn. | Guido - 2018-04-29 12:21 PM westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now... I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.
With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.
However I have two major concerns.
If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.
Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.
You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it
In my opinion if you decide to "sell" and you have been paying on the foal for the past two years, then their price should reflect that. Yes, it will be up to that new owner to continue paying however it shouldn't worry you....if the horse was priced accordingly. :)
As far as the info not being out there (as others have stated). I think we are all chomping at the bit to know more and I guarantee you that the producers are just as ready to get ALL of the info out there! We will all know the details soon enough. I am excited about the future of barrel racing if all this gossip is even half way correct!
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| RaschPerformanceQHS - 2018-04-29 1:38 PM
Guido - 2018-04-29 12:21 PM westrnridr - 2018-04-27 6:33 PMI'm not trying to be rude in any way. But nobody is twisting anyone's arm to join this program. If it's not for you then don't do it. If you have a $600 in the nomination of a 2 yr old and the program is in its 3 rd year and paying a $1,000,000 just in the Futurity it would be hard for me to believe that your horse will not be worth at least $600 more because it's in the program. You will also be allowed to sell your foals in the sale.Also remember, it's only 5% but this program will pay for any age horse. So it this program goes as planned you could still be getting checks 10 years from now... Â I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, the program or the stallions. I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can afford or should do. Future Fortunes and Triple Crown are easy for me to justify to pay into. BBR stallion stakes is harder because it's more than FF and TC100 but mostly because it does not pay out to the breeder.
With this pink buckle, they started advertising and promoting a lot on barrel racing report and Facebook before they had the information about it available to everyone. Strikes me that they need better organization and planning.
However I have two major concerns.
If I invest in paying the first payment or 2 and then sell, it's completely in the buyers hands whether they continue the payments. So I may have just wasted several hundred dollars. With the other incentives, I can pay a reasonable one time fee and that foal is in for life.
Also this is based off the halter industry where you can start competing with a yearling. In the barrel horse world you have 4 years of payments before any competition. That's a what $1300 invested? That's more than several of the stallions stud fee who are in the program. And just one missed payment makes the whole a waste.
You're right no one is twisting my arm. I'm still on the fence about what I'm going to do as this is $1300 for one event a year. I may find a way to do it or simply breed to other stallions so I don't have to agonize over it lol! You're doing what you feel is best for your stallion and so far yall have done excellent! Just trying to find out as much as I can and seeing if others have similar concerns or different views on it
As far as the info not being out there (as others have stated). I think we are all chomping at the bit to know more and I guarantee you that the producers are just as ready to get ALL of the info out there! We will all know the details soon enough. I am excited about the future of barrel racing if all this gossip is even half way correct! Â
 It would "worry" me for the 5% paid back to the breeder as westrnridr pointed out. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in! Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday! Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually? Just curious... Wow! 25k is alot of money.
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lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in! Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday! Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually?  Just curious... Wow! 25k is alot of money.
Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | joemama - 2018-09-25 5:30 PM teehaha - 2018-09-25 5:05 PM lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in! Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday! Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually? Just curious... Wow! 25k is alot of money. Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion. The studs arent even proven if I remember right, just pay us and your stud is in.
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Location: Hiding from Reality | I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout? |
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| hereiam - 2018-09-26 11:11 AM I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout?
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| This was my exact thought too. No body knew this program was coming, but the lucky ones have a horse ready now. The odds will be way better for a return and $200 to nominate a horse to run this year is a lot easier on the pocket book that the $1000 its going to take to get one born this year there. Its just he way life rolls I guess. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | joemama - 2018-09-25 7:30 PM teehaha - 2018-09-25 5:05 PM lopnaround - 2018-04-26 9:00 AM I'll be paying in! Thanks for posting- I was asking about this yesterday! Do stallion owners have to pay the 25K annually? Just curious... Wow! 25k is alot of money. Yup, and they are artificially jacking up the prices of foals. Its complete nonsense in my opinion. The studs arent even proven if I remember right, just pay us and your stud is in.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | hereiam - 2018-09-26 12:11 PM I was kind of surprised by the entries. Figured there would be a few more in the open for the first year. I don't know if I ever saw but will the $500 entry fee also go in the pot to raise the payout?
I believe all of the futurity horses have also rolled to the open. So, add the two together. Not a bad turn out for the first year.
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