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| So I am getting a bit more personal than I would normally... What do you do when you believe in what the bible tells you about honoring your parents but you have a somewhat toxic relationship with one of them? My mother and I have a rocky relationship. Growing up I was shuffled around a bit between grandparents, my mother, my dad, and other families. Mainly because my mom seldomly maintained a stable home. We've maintained a friendship but she has, for the most part observed my life from a distance. These days she seems to be very guilt ridden about past mistakes even though I do not dwell on it. She lashes out at me when I dote on my father (especially on social media) and tells me terrible things about him and how "hes not the hero you think he is" and "I am your mother but you treat me like I am nobody". She is also very jealous of my inlaws relationship with my daughter and makes passive agressive comments about it often. They have made a continual effort to be in her life since birth even though they are not perfect. My daughter has only been around my mother a handful of times in her almost 4 years. I let her know that the ball is in her court to spend time with her granddaughter but she acts as if I keep her from it. We have arguments that can be exausting. Often times after an argument we don't speak for weeks or months. I feel she has lots of anger and guilt she has held onto most of her life and I have suggested she talk to someone. I find myself wanting to love her from a distance and minimalize contact because I don't feel the stress of the relationship is healthy.... What do you do?
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             Location: WYOMING | You have to cut ties with toxic people sometimes. Its hard... I HAVE DONE IT... but life is too short to let others issues bring you down. It takes precious time and energy away from the people in your life who love and support you. | |
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| geronabean - 2018-12-07 11:30 AM You have to cut ties with toxic people sometimes. Its hard... I HAVE DONE IT... but life is too short to let others issues bring you down. It takes precious time and energy away from the people in your life who love and support you.
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| First of all hugs to you.
I don't have a toxic relationship with my parents so take my advice or don't.
You need to protect your daughter from the toxicity, I would be telling your mother any time she speaks about your father negatively to stop. Her perception or experience with him is not your experience, she can hate him if she wants, but you will not tolerate her behaviour.
I would also tell her if she wants to become a part of your life, she needs to change, she needs to go to counselling. If she chooses not to go, that is her decision and I would be severing all dialogue with her.
I would tell her, I will still send you family photos, birthday cards, and updates, but no phone calls, I will not respond to negative text messages, as well as emails.
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   Location: Montgomery TX | My mom and I also have a rocky relationship. We speak only on special occasions, holidays, etc. It came to a point where she was causing myself and my children so much emotional turmoil, I had to put a stop to it. I called her out on her passive aggressive and negative behavior and she starts crying and carrying on, then switches to yelling accusations and it's all my fault. Now, IF she calls or tries to contact me, I am civil to her, but I am not reaching out to her like I did in the past. If she gets nasty, I hang up. I don't know what to tell you, but you are not the only one. My boys are grown now and as far as I know, they are not in touch with her. It's sad, really. Hugs for you - | |
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| I have a great relationship with my parents, thank God. I have seen relationships like this with some of my friends, and usually the person causing all the drama has a mental illness and there is nothing you can do about it. Do what is best for you and your child. | |
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        Location: the end of the rainbow | I struggled with my relationship with my mom from the time I was probably 10 yrs old until she passed away when I was 45. And have still had some twinges of guilt about that relationship since she passed.I am not a Dr. Laura fan but her book Bad Childhood Good Life is worth the read when it comes to toxic relationships. The 2 most relevant points I got out of it were 1) You choose the emotional baggage that you carry around with you and 2) you choose how you allow people to treat you.I would have a heart to heart with and set ground rules (about snarky comments, bad behavior, arguing, etc.). If she can't follow the rules then it is perfectly acceptable to limit your contact with her for both you and your daughter's emotional well being. | |
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     Location: Only a stones throw away!! | Some people just don't make good parents, doesn't mean they are not good people ( or not even that) I think she is taking it out on you because that is the only way she knows how to handle herself ( even tho that is not right) just remember she is your mother and you only have 1.....But that also means you do not have to take crap from anyone, even those closest to you. JMHO | |
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| Gosh, it sounds like your mom and mine could be sisters. My thoughts are all over the place because of the things I have tried with my mother and the heartbreak I have felt with trying with her and I'm 50 it took me a long time to finally just walk away for a while. When my dad died and how she acted was the final straw, we are just now in the last 4 or 5 yrs have a "somewhat" relationship. I'm very guarded with her but I try to do right by her also because she is my mom. you know the whole 2 wrongs don't make a right thing. I pray a lot for myself and her, I want my heart clear and to know that I tried my best to do what God wants. Do I always? nope, but I do try. We do have a long distance relationship which has made things easier. As she has gotten older she has gotten better but it's only because "she needs us". Just do what God has put in your heart, he knows if you are truly trying to honor her, then turn it over to him. But when it gets to be to much pray and walk away no one deserves to be treated badly, do we have bad moments? Yes, but when it's bad all the time I don't think that God wants us to be treated that way. But I have learned what not to do as a Mom, not perfect by any means but I have learned to be selfless, and that was something my mother never learned still hasn't at 72. Prayers for you and I'm sorry if I sounded so preachy. | |
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       Location: Idaho | I have a different insight than the others who have responded to this post. My mother and I’s relationship has not been the best, especially in my older years. When my brother and I were kids, we lived a pretty steady life. But we were pretty spoiled and I will say now that I am older, we did not appreciate my mother like we should have.
From my childhood, fast forward to say my late teens/early twenties, my mother went on a drinking binge. She became an alcoholic, basically ruined her relationship with her husband (they got divorced) and both of her kids. She would curse me out, yell at me, talk down on my father, disown me and my brother, then call back to apologize. She did some pretty messed up things which I will not share on here. She was just angry and hurtful, and I did not talk to my mother for a good 7 years after that. My brother is just now starting to try to talk to her again, after a good 15 years or so but at my urging for the past few years. He is still very stuck on her still being who she was 15 years ago, and she is not the same person.
The reason why I started to talk to her again was I got severely injured, was not able to work, and she was there. It forced us to communicate, and during that time I found out things about her childhood, that made a whole lot of sense as to why she turned to alcohol. Why she did what she did, and working in mental health.. I suddenly understood the drive that she had behind her behavior.
Now here comes my point of view on this. Your mother is acting the way that she is, for a reason. She was not around when you were a kid, for a reason. Maybe that is what happened to her when she young, and she was never taught how to truly be a parent. It happens a LOT more than you think. Maybe there is something in her past, that is causing this behavior and this is the ONLY way she knows how to cope with it. Nobody is never too old to adjust the way that they live, but the important part is that they need to know boundaries and have support.
Yes, give your mother boundaries when talking about your father and the rest of the family. Tell her no, she is not allowed to talk about them in your presence in a negative manner. Tell her that she can see your daughter, but under the circumstances and that she will not speak to your daughter about the family, and be negative in any way, or else she WILL lose the option to spend time with her granddaughter until she corrects her behavior. Hold her accountable for that behavior, because providing healthy boundaries will help her in the long run if she wants to commit.
I had to do that with my mother, and it took some time and some smoothing of the edges, but she didn’t do that anymore. I am not a parent, but when that time comes, you better believe that if my mother wants to see her grandchild, she will not be drinking in the presence of my kid because even though she has gotten better, I do not want my child to be placed in the same situation that I was.
Another thing, which is super hard to do, is not to constantly remind her of her past. She knows what she did, she knows that she was a horrible mom, so she really needs not be reminded of what she did. Instead, look forward. Say, if you want to have a better relationship, then we need to make some changes. It really pulls them out of the negative mentality and puts them on a different path. It gives them hope because it shows that somebody believes in them. I was told that by one of my colleagues some time ago, and it really does put a light on a dampened situation.
Me and my mother now talk quite often and our relationship has much improved, but it has taken a lot of time to overcome that.
But that is your mother, and it’s the only mother that you will ever have.
Sorry for the novel, hope this helps.
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 So I am getting a bit more personal than I would normally... What do you do when you believe in what the bible tells you about honoring your parents but you have a somewhat toxic relationship with one of them? My mother and I have a rocky relationship. Growing up I was shuffled around a bit between grandparents, my mother, my dad, and other families. Mainly because my mom seldomly maintained a stable home. We've maintained a friendship but she has, for the most part observed my life from a distance. These days she seems to be very guilt ridden about past mistakes even though I do not dwell on it. She lashes out at me when I dote on my father (especially on social media) and tells me terrible things about him and how "hes not the hero you think he is" and "I am your mother but you treat me like I am nobody". She is also very jealous of my inlaws relationship with my daughter and makes passive agressive comments about it often. They have made a continual effort to be in her life since birth even though they are not perfect. My daughter has only been around my mother a handful of times in her almost 4 years. I let her know that the ball is in her court to spend time with her granddaughter but she acts as if I keep her from it. We have arguments that can be exausting.  Often times after an argument we don't speak for weeks or months. I feel she has lots of anger and guilt she has held onto most of her life and I have suggested she talk to someone. I find myself wanting to love her from a distance and minimalize contact because I don't feel the stress of the relationship is healthy.... What do you do?
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| whoapony07 - 2018-12-07 6:21 PM Gosh, it sounds like your mom and mine could be sisters. My thoughts are all over the place because of the things I have tried with my mother and the heartbreak I have felt with trying with her and I'm 50 it took me a long time to finally just walk away for a while. When my dad died and how she acted was the final straw, we are just now in the last 4 or 5 yrs have a "somewhat" relationship. I'm very guarded with her but I try to do right by her also because she is my mom. you know the whole 2 wrongs don't make a right thing. I pray a lot for myself and her, I want my heart clear and to know that I tried my best to do what God wants. Do I always? nope, but I do try. We do have a long distance relationship which has made things easier. As she has gotten older she has gotten better but it's only because "she needs us". Just do what God has put in your heart, he knows if you are truly trying to honor her, then turn it over to him. But when it gets to be to much pray and walk away no one deserves to be treated badly, do we have bad moments? Yes, but when it's bad all the time I don't think that God wants us to be treated that way. But I have learned what not to do as a Mom, not perfect by any means but I have learned to be selfless, and that was something my mother never learned still hasn't at 72. Prayers for you and I'm sorry if I sounded so preachy.
Not preachy at all. Your words resonated with me so much. I too want my head and heart clear and to do what God would expect me to. Even if things are far from perfect. | |
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| DashNDustem - 2018-12-08 12:18 PM I have a different insight than the others who have responded to this post. My mother and I’s relationship has not been the best, especially in my older years. When my brother and I were kids, we lived a pretty steady life. But we were pretty spoiled and I will say now that I am older, we did not appreciate my mother like we should have. From my childhood, fast forward to say my late teens/early twenties, my mother went on a drinking binge. She became an alcoholic, basically ruined her relationship with her husband (they got divorced) and both of her kids. She would curse me out, yell at me, talk down on my father, disown me and my brother, then call back to apologize. She did some pretty messed up things which I will not share on here. She was just angry and hurtful, and I did not talk to my mother for a good 7 years after that. My brother is just now starting to try to talk to her again, after a good 15 years or so but at my urging for the past few years. He is still very stuck on her still being who she was 15 years ago, and she is not the same person. The reason why I started to talk to her again was I got severely injured, was not able to work, and she was there. It forced us to communicate, and during that time I found out things about her childhood, that made a whole lot of sense as to why she turned to alcohol. Why she did what she did, and working in mental health.. I suddenly understood the drive that she had behind her behavior. Now here comes my point of view on this. Your mother is acting the way that she is, for a reason. She was not around when you were a kid, for a reason. Maybe that is what happened to her when she young, and she was never taught how to truly be a parent. It happens a LOT more than you think. Maybe there is something in her past, that is causing this behavior and this is the ONLY way she knows how to cope with it. Nobody is never too old to adjust the way that they live, but the important part is that they need to know boundaries and have support. Yes, give your mother boundaries when talking about your father and the rest of the family. Tell her no, she is not allowed to talk about them in your presence in a negative manner. Tell her that she can see your daughter, but under the circumstances and that she will not speak to your daughter about the family, and be negative in any way, or else she WILL lose the option to spend time with her granddaughter until she corrects her behavior. Hold her accountable for that behavior, because providing healthy boundaries will help her in the long run if she wants to commit. I had to do that with my mother, and it took some time and some smoothing of the edges, but she didn’t do that anymore. I am not a parent, but when that time comes, you better believe that if my mother wants to see her grandchild, she will not be drinking in the presence of my kid because even though she has gotten better, I do not want my child to be placed in the same situation that I was. Another thing, which is super hard to do, is not to constantly remind her of her past. She knows what she did, she knows that she was a horrible mom, so she really needs not be reminded of what she did. Instead, look forward. Say, if you want to have a better relationship, then we need to make some changes. It really pulls them out of the negative mentality and puts them on a different path. It gives them hope because it shows that somebody believes in them. I was told that by one of my colleagues some time ago, and it really does put a light on a dampened situation. Me and my mother now talk quite often and our relationship has much improved, but it has taken a lot of time to overcome that. But that is your mother, and it’s the only mother that you will ever have. Sorry for the novel, hope this helps.
You're right on about several things. Her mother died when she was 12 years old. She lived with an uncle who was an alcoholic at that time. Had children young. Life has not been a walk in the park for her for sure. I def don't hold the past against her. I don't bring it up. I am considerate of her feelings as I know she is sensative about it. What makes it hard is that she believes she should be number 1 in my life and the truth of the matter is she and I have not been very close for many many years. My hope is that we can just move forward positively. I am so glad you and your mothers relationship improved. You sound like you have a great head on your sholders to have been able to handle the situation so well and see it through to better days. | |
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| cwjsd - 2018-12-08 5:32 PM I have always had a tumultuous relationship with my mother. Very emotionally abusive. I absolutely hate when people say "but you only have 1 mother." I feel like those people have not endured the abuse or they wouldn't say that. I feel like the worse part of an emotionally abusive parent is the guilt and depression the child feels. We KNOW we should cut them out, but the guilt of doing is hard.
You are so right! I know in my heart that a mother isn't supposed to treat her child a certain way but I always feel guilt when we are not getting along. I want to tell people they don't know the half of it but.. I am still trying. | |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2018-12-08 7:54 PM scwebster - 2018-12-07 10:21 AM So I am getting a bit more personal than I would normally...
What do you do when you believe in what the bible tells you about honoring your parents but you have a somewhat toxic relationship with one of them?
My mother and I have a rocky relationship. Growing up I was shuffled around a bit between grandparents, my mother, my dad, and other families. Mainly because my mom seldomly maintained a stable home. We've maintained a friendship but she has, for the most part observed my life from a distance. These days she seems to be very guilt ridden about past mistakes even though I do not dwell on it. She lashes out at me when I dote on my father (especially on social media) and tells me terrible things about him and how "hes not the hero you think he is" and "I am your mother but you treat me like I am nobody". She is also very jealous of my inlaws relationship with my daughter and makes passive agressive comments about it often. They have made a continual effort to be in her life since birth even though they are not perfect. My daughter has only been around my mother a handful of times in her almost 4 years. I let her know that the ball is in her court to spend time with her granddaughter but she acts as if I keep her from it. We have arguments that can be exausting. Often times after an argument we don't speak for weeks or months. I feel she has lots of anger and guilt she has held onto most of her life and I have suggested she talk to someone. I find myself wanting to love her from a distance and minimalize contact because I don't feel the stress of the relationship is healthy....
What do you do?
Just wanted to offer hugs to you and the others who have/had bad relationships with parents. I have wonderful parents and great relationships with them both, so I have no advice in that area. . . 
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| I can give some insight from the outside looking in. I personally have two great parents but when I married my husband his relationship with his mother was rocky then became nonexistent over the next few years. She is just one of those people that is sweet as pie but can be a crazy behind closed doors. Once he completely cut his ties with her, she then would not allow his dad to have much contact with him. She was not invited to our wedding but he was and didn’t show up (my husband is oldest and only son). Fast forward 3 years to when I got pregnant with our first child he decided he wanted our children to know their grandparents so we sat her down and pretty much laid down the law of what was acceptable and what was not. Honestly didn’t care about her feeling she either want to be part of our life or did not. I think over those three years when there was no Communication she had a lot of time to think and became very grateful we gave her one more shot. Fast forward 6 years later, she has been one of the best grandmothers, parent and mother in law anyone could ask for literally. However still knows she better not step out of line and the past has never been brought up.
I guess what I’m saying is sometimes people need to take your feelings serious and realize you mean business. It is a blessing and privilege to be allowed in someone’s life not something you just get by giving birth to a child.
This may come across harsh to some people. I was raised to never take a day for granted since my grandmother was taken by a drunk driver a few years before I was born but you do not need others dragging you down either.
I wish you happiness in whatever you decide only you can decide what is best for You
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DashNDustem - 2018-12-08 12:18 PM I have a different insight than the others who have responded to this post. My mother and I’s relationship has not been the best, especially in my older years. When my brother and I were kids, we lived a pretty steady life. But we were pretty spoiled and I will say now that I am older, we did not appreciate my mother like we should have. From my childhood, fast forward to say my late teens/early twenties, my mother went on a drinking binge. She became an alcoholic, basically ruined her relationship with her husband (they got divorced) and both of her kids. She would curse me out, yell at me, talk down on my father, disown me and my brother, then call back to apologize. She did some pretty messed up things which I will not share on here. She was just angry and hurtful, and I did not talk to my mother for a good 7 years after that. My brother is just now starting to try to talk to her again, after a good 15 years or so but at my urging for the past few years. He is still very stuck on her still being who she was 15 years ago, and she is not the same person. The reason why I started to talk to her again was I got severely injured, was not able to work, and she was there. It forced us to communicate, and during that time I found out things about her childhood, that made a whole lot of sense as to why she turned to alcohol. Why she did what she did, and working in mental health.. I suddenly understood the drive that she had behind her behavior. Now here comes my point of view on this. Your mother is acting the way that she is, for a reason. She was not around when you were a kid, for a reason. Maybe that is what happened to her when she young, and she was never taught how to truly be a parent. It happens a LOT more than you think. Maybe there is something in her past, that is causing this behavior and this is the ONLY way she knows how to cope with it. Nobody is never too old to adjust the way that they live, but the important part is that they need to know boundaries and have support. Yes, give your mother boundaries when talking about your father and the rest of the family. Tell her no, she is not allowed to talk about them in your presence in a negative manner. Tell her that she can see your daughter, but under the circumstances and that she will not speak to your daughter about the family, and be negative in any way, or else she WILL lose the option to spend time with her granddaughter until she corrects her behavior. Hold her accountable for that behavior, because providing healthy boundaries will help her in the long run if she wants to commit. I had to do that with my mother, and it took some time and some smoothing of the edges, but she didn’t do that anymore. I am not a parent, but when that time comes, you better believe that if my mother wants to see her grandchild, she will not be drinking in the presence of my kid because even though she has gotten better, I do not want my child to be placed in the same situation that I was. Another thing, which is super hard to do, is not to constantly remind her of her past. She knows what she did, she knows that she was a horrible mom, so she really needs not be reminded of what she did. Instead, look forward. Say, if you want to have a better relationship, then we need to make some changes. It really pulls them out of the negative mentality and puts them on a different path. It gives them hope because it shows that somebody believes in them. I was told that by one of my colleagues some time ago, and it really does put a light on a dampened situation. Me and my mother now talk quite often and our relationship has much improved, but it has taken a lot of time to overcome that. But that is your mother, and it’s the only mother that you will ever have. Sorry for the novel, hope this helps.
You're right on about several things. Her mother died when she was 12 years old. She lived with an uncle who was an alcoholic at that time. Had children young. Life has not been a walk in the park for her for sure.  I def don't hold the past against her. I don't bring it up. I am considerate of her feelings as I know she is sensative about it. What makes it hard is that she believes she should be number 1 in my life and the truth of the matter is she and I have not been very close for many many years. My hope is that we can just move forward positively. I am so glad you and your mothers relationship improved. You sound like you have a great head on your sholders to have been able to handle the situation so well and see it through to better days.
Thank you. It's not always been easy, and I've had some rough things. I guess with my mom, I just remember certain things that she would do when I was a kid that would make me cock my head and go, why is she doing that? I felt like there was a big piece of the puzzle missing, and when I finally found out about her childhood it was like that piece got thrown into my lap and tied it all together.
Again, this is my personal opinion, so take it how you wish. You mention that your mother does not like to talk about her past, and that is okay. However, maybe she never faced that past. She never was able to process it and has lived her life trying to avoid it. Again, this is very similar concept to my mother. She didn't tell anyone what happened for 40+ years, and she coped with alcohol trying to forget. Trying to leave it in the past and just live her life. Unfortunately, the human brain does not work that way. Your mother may have never processed the death of her mother. Living with her uncle may have been traumatizing for her, and maybe she feels you are the only good thing in her life so she needs you to be there.. her #1, because she's afraid to lose what she has already lost many years before.
It is amazing how the brain adjusts to trauma, but the human body just wants us to survive so it can be a bit conflicting.
Personally, I'd suggest you that maybe you have a strong conversation with your mom about maybe going to a therapist to address that. Offer to support her through that, and she may not want to, but keep pouring that thought into her ear. My guess is she needs to talk to someone about her early adolescent experiences because in addressing it, will help her behavior towards you and understanding that she does not have to be #1 in your life.
Again, this is just my opinion, and you too seem like you have a good head on your shoulders and want to see the light in all of this. Hopefully this will help :)
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