And who do you hold up as moral?

Trump is a racist is a narrative the media created and used to interpret his statements and the left bought it hook line and sinker.  It’s this narrative that is dividing the country - if you voted for Trump then that makes you a racist too- a big load of crap but gets them followers and headlines.  Very sad and if anyone thinks that the leaders of both parties are any different -that one side has a different ideology- they are gullible and stupid.  The top layer of our political “leaders” are all the same - they just package their message with different talking points that will get them elected- none of them practice what they preach- they are all rich guys saying it is the other rich guys who are the problem.   Strife and division and class warfare is their MO- more so for the Democrats.  Trump says  stupid stuff, he should keep his mouth shut most of the time,  but he is no more immoral than Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton numerous presidents before them- Kennedy was a known womanizer but lived in a time where the press did not report it. His womanizing is nothing new and unfortunately a standard that was set decades ago.  The Dems make no fuss about the Dems in Congress who have numerous sexual accusations.   Booker is the darling of the Dems and he has sexual assault charges from his college days.   The Dems claiming those wanting border security are doing so because they are xenophobes is again just a talking point to get votes and one made at the expense of our country.   Within the last few years everyone of those same Democrats has called for border security, has called for a better immigration control,  has said that we do not need to have open and unsecure borders but now that they can get votes with this racist propaganda they have done at 180.  It is chilling and disheartening the  lack of independent thinking today. You know what is immoral?   Letting viable babies born alive die,  voting to allow abortions up until the moments before birth in the case where the mother’s health is threatened which can include mental health also .    Why is it necessary to kill the baby before you deliver it-you know what it’s NOT-  you can deliver a baby alive and the mother will still be saved.  I guess everybody who votes  Democrat has no problem with the death of these innocent full-term viable babies that for some reason need to be killed because if they’re born alive, for some reason that will kill the mother-  it just doesn’t make sense. The argument that it doesn’t happen very often and that it’s rare is BS - look at Gossnell - if it never happens why do you need this law?   

I am not the judge of morals only GOD is. And nor is jd&ez hence my point. 

If you want to pick out the president who has led the most morally sound, selfless, decent life in recent history, I’d have to say it was Jimmy Carter.  He has walked the walk as a philanthropist and his commitment to things like “Habitat for Humanity” after he left office will forever be remembered.  

As President, however, most people have a difficult time identifying anything noteworthy, with one exception being the Camp David Accords, a treaty between Egypt and Israel.  He won a Nobel Peace Prize for spearheading that effort. Apart from that, Carter’s presidency was a bleak calamity, with inflation rates, mortgage interest rates, and short term interest rates approaching 20%.  Partly because of the Vietnam War, a few years earlier, and partly because of Carter’s neglect of the military, our military was arguably at its lowest point in history, in terms of preparedness and morale.  His response to the oil shortage and rising gas prices was to impose a “windfall profits tax” on big oil, lower the speed limit to 55 across the nation, and advise people to wear sweaters and turn their thermostats down to 60 degrees.  The Iranian Revolution took place under his watch, and that gave rise to today’s Iran, whereas prior to that, Iran was actually a reliable US ally.  While our economy was in free fall, he took to the airwaves and basically admonished America for our “crisis in confidence”, and told us all to suck it up, essentially saying America was selfish and had a collective bad attitude.  That was when the term “national malaise” was coined.  He tried to lead by example by wearing wool cardigans in the WH, and installed solar panels and wood stoves, if you can believe that.  As an aside, after Reagan was elected, he removed the wood stoves and tore out the solar panels.  The “Iran Hostage Crisis” lasted 444 days and his attempt at rescuing the hostages was poorly coordinated, leading to a fiery crash in the desert......a tragedy that symbolized Carter’s feckless presidency. Those hostages were released on the day Reagan was elected, marking the beginning of our gradual recovery from the Carter years.

Following Carter, we had an “idiot”, Ronald Reagan, who the left (along with a complicit mainstream media) warned us would drag us into a World War III nuclear holocaust with the Soviet Untion because of his reckless, incendiary rhetoric toward the Soviet Union. That “reckless cowboy” told the brutal truth about the “Evil Empire”, and his approach led to the collapse of the Soviet Union, freedom for Western Europe, and tearing down of the Berlin Wall.....all without firing a single shot.

Personally, I prefer a reckless cowboy and “useful idiot” like Reagan over a nice guy like Jimmy Carter.....but that’s just me.  

Oh the bible is is full of exactly that sort of example. Which was sort of my point. It is kind of silly to use the condemnation of Cohen as a potential murderer who suddenly found God when that exact type of person, extremely sinful and then saved, is found throughout the bible. Again, I have not watched the video or paid much attention to this stuff this week. I don't know much about Cohen himself. I have been swamped under 100 papers for grading all week, taking an occasional break on here. I just was looking down through the discussion and found the analogy ironic because of the numerous people in the Old Testament and New Testament who start out that way and the whole point in the Bible is that pretty much anyone, no matter how sinful, can be saved and forgiven by God. It's actually sort of the major point of the entire New Testament. The example given by Gator Bug was just a bit ironic considering that. I haven't taken any part in the political aspects of this discussion and won't because I just am not informed on it enough because of my current busyness. And I don't want anyone to think I am attacking Gator Bug or anything. Like I said, I just saw a bit of irony in the analogy.  I believe the larger point she was trying to point out was his hypocrisy. Judas to some degree might make a good analogy but Caiaphas might make a better, when it comes to hypocrisy anyway. And those are a bit more biblically supported examples of hypocrisy. I always loved Dante's description of hypocrites in the Inferno. They are forced to wear lead robes that are beautiful on the outside but inside the pretty exterior is a common heavy metal indicative of their internal value and each of them actually walk over Caiaphas nailed out on the ground as if he were on a cross. Chilling view of punishment. But Dante sort of excelled at fitting the punishment to the crime. All that is just an aside anyway.  Carry on. :)