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 Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | I've had to have my truck towed twice in a month, among other annoying things needing repeated repairs and I'm leaning towards saying goodbye to old faithful lol. I know how some of these posts turn out so PLEASE.. read my questions before you answer lol.
1) I am ONLY looking at 3/4 ton DIESEL Ford and Chevy. I know the Cummins is a nice engine I just think the newer Dodges are ugly and cheap looking lol. I sat in several at the fair and just can't make myself like them  I always thought my next truck would be a dually but I park in a lot of parking garages at hospitals and city people who can't park their roller skates, and it will be another while till I can afford to have a car to drive to work.
2) I can't afford a brand new truck and I don't really want to take a chance on a brand new one with all the engine changes happening every year... looking at the MOST "recent" year models, can't decide if I want to try to get one that's old enough not to need the DEF? ((This means please don't give your 2 cents on what the engine is like in a 1987 1 ton Ford.. it's a waste of time lol.))
I think I may be leaning toward the Chevy...My last 3 trucks were Fords.... I drove a 2010 Chevy dually as my work truck with the LTZ interior at my old job and I loved that truck, it was like driving a Cadillac. I felt like sometimes it didn't have as much hauling "guts" as my Ford though, but maybe that's because it ran so smooth... and they never broke down or had any major issues.
I guess I'm really looking for things the dealer isn't going to really tell me. I've asked around at the bazillions of diesel shops I've visited with my current truck lately (lol) but they can't help me all that much since these newer engines are still under warranty for the most part. For example, when I got my last truck I stayed away from 6.0 Fords because I knew about the injectors and such. At several of these shops I see lots of recently out of warranty Fords... that scares me lol.
So for those that have bought one of these trucks recently.... halp!
Edited by fifteenflat 2013-11-18 8:42 PM
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I've had 3 GMCs with a Duramax/Allison and love them. I love how they run, pull, and ride/drive. My last one was a 2008 and had 142,000 miles when I quit driving it and put it on the farm--the only reason I got a new to me truck was because I needed a dually. We have 4 of them as farm trucks. My dad has a 2011 Ford and just ordered another one because he liked it so much. His truck has a good engine, no opinion on the tranny because I never towed with it, but it rides/drives like a log wagon, which is why I had no interest in getting a Ford. The interiors on either one of these are way nicer than Dodge. I totally agree with you on that. | |
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Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | So no common issues you've noticed? How about the DEF fluid and dealing with that? | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Not a big deal on the DEF, although that was a concern ahead of time. I had an issue for about 9 months with my 2008, the burn cycle running too often and lowering my fuel mileage after I got a bad tank of diesel (trash in the fuel). We expected to have to replace the injectors, but we run a soy diesel blend here at home that helps clean and lube, and the issue resolved itself over time. My 2010 had the check engine light come on after I idled it too long while working during harvest this fall, but a trip to town fixed that. The emissions dealies are not the most wonderful things to deal with, but they're not as bad as they sound. | |
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Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | Cool so maybe they've got that smoothed out. I saw a 2011 duramax that was barely used the other day I might look at. | |
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Location: Philly | Think GM started DEF in 2010 or 2011, think 2011 for Ford and 2013 for dodge (somebody will correct me on those I imagine). Granted a newish truck is cheaper, you may be surprised at how close to a new truck they are.
Slightly off topic - we have a fancy dancy Tahoe that would match the LTZ interior on that 2010 you were talking about and the new interior in the dodge's blow the socks off GM and ford's. That Tahoe's interior is pushing a piece of cr@p and it is not some LS model. They are finally updating it next year for the first time since 2007 and not sure if the HD trucks have been updated yet like the half tons.
I'd go for an 07 or 08 GM if you were leaning that way. | |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 2011 on DEF. Also, that's the year that GM changed the design of their air filter and housing. This won't be an issue unless you run in a lot of dust, but the new design doesn't seal off like it needs to if you are in dust a lot. That's the reason my dad switched to Ford--GM bought back his 2011 GMC truck because of the air filter thing. But he's a farmer, so uses his truck differently than you would. | |
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Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | thomas paine - 2013-11-18 9:44 PM Think GM started DEF in 2010 or 2011, think 2011 for Ford and 2013 for dodge (somebody will correct me on those I imagine). Granted a newish truck is cheaper, you may be surprised at how close to a new truck they are. Slightly off topic - we have a fancy dancy Tahoe that would match the LTZ interior on that 2010 you were talking about and the new interior in the dodge's blow the socks off GM and ford's. That Tahoe's interior is pushing a piece of cr@p and it is not some LS model. They are finally updating it next year for the first time since 2007 and not sure if the HD trucks have been updated yet like the half tons. I'd go for an 07 or 08 GM if you were leaning that way. Yes they do hold their value well.... but from what I can tell I can save up to 15k if I play my cards right on one thats a few years old.... and I need all the help I can get lol. I did notice they are actually trying to improve the dodge interior (or RAM TRUCK or whatever the heck it's supposed to be called now lol).... but they are still "work trucky" to me.. I spend a lot of time in the truck and if I can get away with it I want it to be as nice as I can afford. My best friend has an LTZ tahoe, I think it's been pretty good other than seat heaters going out a few times and stuff like that... and gas mileage lol.
eta on another note.... after driving hundreds of miles in those loaded chevy's I've come to the conclusion the black leather is FAR more comfortable than the tan. I'd love for someone to tell me why someday
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Location: Philly | A $15k gap is to not too bad on one a couple years old. High(er) mileage 2-3 yr old duallies are within $10k of new or advertised even closer. | |
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Quack Quack Woodle Woodle
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Location: Texas | There was actually an article in the paper here today about 1/2 tons and the new chevy and how the other guys (and GM) will be having big incentives on "old" stock. Some of them carry over to the bigger trucks even though the new duramax isn't going to change to that new body style just yet (I don't think). None of the incentives they had listed were enough to convince me not to buy used yet though lol. I'm still also wary of anything brand new with them having to change the engines just about every year now. | |
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| The interiors on the Dodge Laramie Limited trucks are pretty awesome so if you do want the Cummins, you might take a look. | |
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The Advice Guru
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| I personally will go for functionality, performance, and fuel mileage in a truck over looks.
I want to get from point a to point b safely and don't care what the interior looks like.
I have only ever driven dodges, and will never go to anything differently. My father has a 93, 96, and 98, all work trucks only have had Minot maintenance and have over 500k on each truck. These are oilfield work trucks so are used and abused. I don't think you can get any better.
If you are looking for pretty I would go with Chevy, I do know that there are some years that the transmission or motors were falling out of the trucks when people were driving them, not sure the years, but did include the Allison transmission, might want to make sure you year was not effected.
For ford I know a lot of people who are continually replacing their injectors in ford 2006 models, I have heard the injectors are bad from 2003-2007 so that might be something else to consider.
Other then that, I would suggest speaking with your local mechanic and see which ones he is more familiar with.
As when buying used there is no warranty, the only plus to buying brand new.
You have said you cannot afford to purchase a new car, I would suggest trying to make this happen as in the long run it will save you tones of money. I bought a plain Jane car brand new for 12,000 this was 4 years ago, and just in fuel alone it recouped the prices and then some. | |
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Location: Kentucky | If you want a Ford, I would go with either a late model 7.3 (good luck finding those for sale) or the new 6.7. We do have the 6.0 and we love it, but most people flip a lid when we tell them it's a good truck. I have not heard good things about the 6.4, and that's even from diehard Ford people on the the Powerstroke forums.
As far as the Chevy, Duramax makes a good engine, and the Allison transmission is good to. Either way, you really can't go wrong. It comes down to what you like to look at, and comfort. I know the new Fords are like driving a Cadillac and the creature comforts are incredible. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 7:01 AM
I personally will go for functionality, performance, and fuel mileage in a truck over looks.
I want to get from point a to point b safely and don't care what the interior looks like.
I have only ever driven dodges, and will never go to anything differently. My father has a 93, 96, and 98, all work trucks only have had Minot maintenance and have over 500k on each truck. These are oilfield work trucks so are used and abused. I don't think you can get any better.
If you are looking for pretty I would go with Chevy, I do know that there are some years that the transmission or motors were falling out of the trucks when people were driving them, not sure the years, but did include the Allison transmission, might want to make sure you year was not effected.
For ford I know a lot of people who are continually replacing their injectors in ford 2006 models, I have heard the injectors are bad from 2003-2007 so that might be something else to consider.
Other then that, I would suggest speaking with your local mechanic and see which ones he is more familiar with.
As when buying used there is no warranty, the only plus to buying brand new.
You have said you cannot afford to purchase a new car, I would suggest trying to make this happen as in the long run it will save you tones of money. I bought a plain Jane car brand new for 12,000 this was 4 years ago, and just in fuel alone it recouped the prices and then some.
I had a 98 Dodge that left me on the side of the road 4 times in the first 33,000 miles, and had brake problems that were never resolved. Kind of burned me on those. We have a 2004 Dodge on the farm that has been a good truck, but the seats are uncomfortable (who wants an achey back when you get somewhere?) and the interior plasticky. I admit I haven't checked the newer ones out to see what the inside is like because I've been happy with what I'm driving. | |
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The Advice Guru
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| Three 4 Luck - 2013-11-19 7:33 AM
cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 7:01 AM
I personally will go for functionality, performance, and fuel mileage in a truck over looks.
I want to get from point a to point b safely and don't care what the interior looks like.
I have only ever driven dodges, and will never go to anything differently. My father has a 93, 96, and 98, all work trucks only have had Minot maintenance and have over 500k on each truck. These are oilfield work trucks so are used and abused. I don't think you can get any better.
If you are looking for pretty I would go with Chevy, I do know that there are some years that the transmission or motors were falling out of the trucks when people were driving them, not sure the years, but did include the Allison transmission, might want to make sure you year was not effected.
For ford I know a lot of people who are continually replacing their injectors in ford 2006 models, I have heard the injectors are bad from 2003-2007 so that might be something else to consider.
Other then that, I would suggest speaking with your local mechanic and see which ones he is more familiar with.
As when buying used there is no warranty, the only plus to buying brand new.
You have said you cannot afford to purchase a new car, I would suggest trying to make this happen as in the long run it will save you tones of money. I bought a plain Jane car brand new for 12,000 this was 4 years ago, and just in fuel alone it recouped the prices and then some.
I had a 98 Dodge that left me on the side of the road 4 times in the first 33,000 miles, and had brake problems that were never resolved. Kind of burned me on those. We have a 2004 Dodge on the farm that has been a good truck, but the seats are uncomfortable (who wants an achey back when you get somewhere?) and the interior plasticky. I admit I haven't checked the newer ones out to see what the inside is like because I've been happy with what I'm driving.
Each person the their own, I have never had brake problems, and I do know that there are lemons in each company, but to me brakes are minor, I look specifically at engine, and transmission as these are the expensive things to fix when you have no warranty.
As for comfort, it is a personal preference, my truck is used for hauling, my car is used for daily driving.
Also edited to add, my other half is a chev guy, personally his truck is not any more comfortable for me.
Also he just had to replace the dft filter, it was 3200 to replace. When the filter became plugged he had no power, was travelling 20 miles per hour up hills, 40 going down.
To the op, I would call around and get quotes on parts, and servicing as this may also impact you decision and you can plan ahead for repair costs, as when buying used there is no guarantee.
When I was looking at trucks to buy, I did buy a used one, but it still had warranty. I took it to a mechanic had him do a once over, and had the dealer plug it into the computer so I could get a complete history of the truck. I would suggest doing this to. We vet check horses, why not pay a mechanic 200-500 to inspect the truck this way you know what you are buying.
Edited by cheryl makofka 2013-11-19 7:49 AM
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Location: Kentucky | Three 4 Luck - 2013-11-19 8:33 AM cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 7:01 AM I personally will go for functionality, performance, and fuel mileage in a truck over looks. I want to get from point a to point b safely and don't care what the interior looks like. I have only ever driven dodges, and will never go to anything differently. My father has a 93, 96, and 98, all work trucks only have had Minot maintenance and have over 500k on each truck. These are oilfield work trucks so are used and abused. I don't think you can get any better. If you are looking for pretty I would go with Chevy, I do know that there are some years that the transmission or motors were falling out of the trucks when people were driving them, not sure the years, but did include the Allison transmission, might want to make sure you year was not effected. For ford I know a lot of people who are continually replacing their injectors in ford 2006 models, I have heard the injectors are bad from 2003-2007 so that might be something else to consider. Other then that, I would suggest speaking with your local mechanic and see which ones he is more familiar with. As when buying used there is no warranty, the only plus to buying brand new. You have said you cannot afford to purchase a new car, I would suggest trying to make this happen as in the long run it will save you tones of money. I bought a plain Jane car brand new for 12,000 this was 4 years ago, and just in fuel alone it recouped the prices and then some. I had a 98 Dodge that left me on the side of the road 4 times in the first 33,000 miles, and had brake problems that were never resolved. Kind of burned me on those. We have a 2004 Dodge on the farm that has been a good truck, but the seats are uncomfortable (who wants an achey back when you get somewhere?) and the interior plasticky. I admit I haven't checked the newer ones out to see what the inside is like because I've been happy with what I'm driving.
We have some friends that are Dodge people. They have the 12 valve and the 24 value, then one of them has a Megacab. Every truck they have had has cheapy, plastic interior. They ride rough and they are loud. The Megacab does have a ton of room in the back, which is nice on trips, but it kills my back and butt.
Our 1997 F250 is a rough ride also, but it is lifted. The seats are comfortable though, you just bounce a lot when you hit a bump. The 2004 F250 has a smooth ride all the time and the seats are nice.
I've never rode in a newer Chevy, but I would buy one over the Dodge, based on looks alone.
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Location: Oklahoma | We have an 05 Chevy Duramax with the Allison Transmission. LLY engine. I am married to a heavy duty diesel mechanic and from the mechanic side of things, this engine is easy to work on and one of the most reliable. Our truck was bought new in 2005 and now has over 220,000 miles on it. It still pulls great and across the country. We will not own a different year other than 2005 or 2006. If you ahve questions pm me and I can put him in touch with you. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 7:40 AM Three 4 Luck - 2013-11-19 7:33 AM cheryl makofka - 2013-11-19 7:01 AMI personally will go for functionality, performance, and fuel mileage in a truck over looks.I want to get from point a to point b safely and don't care what the interior looks like.I have only ever driven dodges, and will never go to anything differently. My father has a 93, 96, and 98, all work trucks only have had Minot maintenance and have over 500k on each truck. These are oilfield work trucks so are used and abused. I don't think you can get any better.If you are looking for pretty I would go with Chevy, I do know that there are some years that the transmission or motors were falling out of the trucks when people were driving them, not sure the years, but did include the Allison transmission, might want to make sure you year was not effected.For ford I know a lot of people who are continually replacing their injectors in ford 2006 models, I have heard the injectors are bad from 2003-2007 so that might be something else to consider.Other then that, I would suggest speaking with your local mechanic and see which ones he is more familiar with.As when buying used there is no warranty, the only plus to buying brand new.You have said you cannot afford to purchase a new car, I would suggest trying to make this happen as in the long run it will save you tones of money. I bought a plain Jane car brand new for 12,000 this was 4 years ago, and just in fuel alone it recouped the prices and then some. I had a 98 Dodge that left me on the side of the road 4 times in the first 33,000 miles, and had brake problems that were never resolved. Kind of burned me on those. We have a 2004 Dodge on the farm that has been a good truck, but the seats are uncomfortable (who wants an achey back when you get somewhere?) and the interior plasticky. I admit I haven't checked the newer ones out to see what the inside is like because I've been happy with what I'm driving.Each person the their own, I have never had brake problems, and I do know that there are lemons in each company, but to me brakes are minor, I look specifically at engine, and transmission as these are the expensive things to fix when you have no warranty.As for comfort, it is a personal preference, my truck is used for hauling, my car is used for daily driving.Also edited to add, my other half is a chev guy, personally his truck is not any more comfortable for me.Also he just had to replace the dft filter, it was 3200 to replace. When the filter became plugged he had no power, was travelling 20 miles per hour up hills, 40 going down. To the op, I would call around and get quotes on parts, and servicing as this may also impact you decision and you can plan ahead for repair costs, as when buying used there is no guarantee.When I was looking at trucks to buy, I did buy a used one, but it still had warranty. I took it to a mechanic had him do a once over, and had the dealer plug it into the computer so I could get a complete history of the truck. I would suggest doing this to. We vet check horses, why not pay a mechanic 200-500 to inspect the truck this way you know what you are buying.
Edited by Three 4 Luck 2013-11-19 7:58 AM
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 Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | Transmissions are expensive and we have put 3 in my husbands 07 Dodge, as well as a new fan, AC, back axel and a variety of other things. It's nicknamed Junker around here but t was his dads last truck before he died so he won't part with it. On the other hand my 04 Duramax with more miles is purring like a kitten and has only had ujoints replaced in it. And to clarify my Chevy was used as a farm truck along side the dodge when my FIL was alive so they both have been worked
To the OP. dodge is ok if you go 04 or older and get a manual, 6 spd is best. If you want an automatic, Chevy hands down. The Allison is a great tranny. Since you are going newer you should be fine with the engine. Older Chevy diesel were not so good. I'm truck shopping too and know I want a Chevy. I'm going back to a dually because we finally have a car now too | |
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| I didn't realize there were some who hated Cummins motors so much. I sold my 2006 a couple years ago for almost $26K! Way WAY over what it blue booked for and it was an awesome truck. I admit I loved the interiors of a Chev or GMC until I bought this Laramie Limited Edition. I had an older Chev dually diesel that was the prettiest truck in town but the hills in north east Texas saw me going maxed out at 50-55 when I was loaded down & I got tired (& embarrassed haha) of being passed by Cummins. I realize they are probably leaps & bounds better now though! I hope you find your truck and it has a great resale some day in the future! | |
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