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Location: NE Texas | If someone were to offer you two royally bred AAA mares in return for one foal and either the first right to purchase the future foals (at a reasonable price, like stud fee or slightly over), or a percentage of the sale of future foals with the stallion owner getting 70%, is this something that would interest you? |
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Location: ND | having to deal with other people.....no |
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Location: NE Texas | Perhaps. But perhaps not if you already have broodmares and a stallion, or have an up and coming stallion that you'd like to promote with a couple of really nice mares that have performed and should produce, and a partner that will give the colts the opportunity to be successful as well.
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Location: Deep South | Herbie - 2013-11-20 3:26 PM If someone were to offer you two royally bred AAA mares in return for one foal and either the first right to purchase the future foals (at a reasonable price, like stud fee or slightly over), or a percentage of the sale of future foals with the stallion owner getting 70%, is this something that would interest you?
You had me through this point. I have seen people give away broodies in return for the FIRST foal, and it worked out really well for both parties.
Leaving it open ended with the options like "first right to purchase future foalSSS" as in more than one seems like a headache. And I certainly would not do the last option where they receive a percentage from the foals, unless again it was just the first one. Or at least a specified number. Not just infinite. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | I really do appreciate all of your input! I have two mares, both AAA, both significant money earners on the track. Due to my job schedule I don't have the time to run them to the vet to get them in foal and check them and know nothing about raising colts other than it's time consuming. That being said, i'd sure love to have a colt out of each of these mares at some point, and the way these mares are bred, they could be truly great producers. I'd love to be a part of it, but certainly can understand the potential for headache as well. Just wanted to get some opinions before I contacted anyone. I would certainly try to make it where the stallion owner would stand to make the most money and benefit the most from any sale.
Thanks again for everyone's input! |
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Location: NE Texas | BamaCanChaser - 2013-11-20 3:43 PM Herbie - 2013-11-20 3:26 PM If someone were to offer you two royally bred AAA mares in return for one foal and either the first right to purchase the future foals (at a reasonable price, like stud fee or slightly over), or a percentage of the sale of future foals with the stallion owner getting 70%, is this something that would interest you? You had me through this point. I have seen people give away broodies in return for the FIRST foal, and it worked out really well for both parties.
Leaving it open ended with the options like "first right to purchase future foalSSS" as in more than one seems like a headache. And I certainly would not do the last option where they receive a percentage from the foals, unless again it was just the first one. Or at least a specified number. Not just infinite.
That is certainly something I would consider as well. All points would be negotiable. |
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| I might consider it if someone came to me with two AAA mares that were nicks with my DFP colt. Depends on the lineage, age of mare, and the person involved. I know at least half a dozen breeders that I wouldn't hesitate on that type of deal. And I also know at least half a dozen I wouldn't.
Show me a Magnolia Bar gd on the dams side, not sorrel (or maybe even sorrel), and I'll have to do some serious considering! |
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Location: NE Texas | Well neither have Magnolia Bar on the bottom, but one is a daughter of one of the #1 horses standing right now and whose yearlings average $17,000 and are often sale toppers in this state he stands. Mares by him are producing stakes horses all over the place.
The other ran out $30,000 and is by a TB stud who is deceased, but from his starters 60% were winners and 7% were stakes winners or stakes placed. 50% of the starters by him were AAA or better.
I enjoy 2 YO's and have started them and sold them as 5 YO's to people all over the country as horses ready to haul. My best friends have been made from these people buing horses from me. I've had the pleasure of meeting some pretty great people along the way, and while I know this is a long shot, it's still a shot. One of these mares specifically is very special to me, and the other is just a really nice mare who ran out a decent amount of money and would cross nice on alot of the current stallions out there.
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Location: NE Texas | lonely va barrelxr - 2013-11-20 3:58 PM I might consider it if someone came to me with two AAA mares that were nicks with my DFP colt. Depends on the lineage, age of mare, and the person involved. I know at least half a dozen breeders that I wouldn't hesitate on that type of deal. And I also know at least half a dozen I wouldn't.
Show me a Magnolia Bar gd on the dams side, not sorrel (or maybe even sorrel), and I'll have to do some serious considering!
Mares are young. 8 and 9. One has had 2 colts already and one is a maiden. |
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| I think stallion owners maybe interested in your offer. Probably some of the details would need to be worked out but there is potential. |
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Location: Qld Australia | As a stallion owner there is no way I would be interested in the sale % deal. That is far too complicated and in reality the stallion owner would probably end up with nothing or very little out of a deal like that. I would however consider a foal for foal deal. The stallion owner gets one, you get one etc. Then each of you have your own foal to sell off your own bat.
If the same stallion owner did a deal with you for both mares, you could get alternate drops each so each year the two of you are getting one foal each. That is appealing to me also. |
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Location: NE Texas | All details would absolutely be negotiable. This is just a starting point if anything. Thank you for everyone's opinion and input. Its very much appreciated and very helpful! |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I DO NOT like horses that come with strings attached, whether I'm buying or they are free.
When breeding.........there is too much time and money involved from the point of conception until weaning plus there is a long list of things that could go wrong to keep the mare from carrying another foal. I think you are asking too much of an investment from the stallion owner/breeder and you will wind up with a nice foal. |
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Location: Mountains of VA | I DO NOT like horses that come with strings attached, whether I'm buying or they are free.
When breeding.........there is too much time and money involved from the point of conception until weaning plus there is a long list of things that could go wrong to keep the mare from carrying another foal. I think you are asking too much of an investment from the stallion owner/breeder and you will wind up with a nice foal. |
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Location: Home of the World Famous "Silver Bullet" | expose them to the pressure and then you'll know. |
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Location: NE Texas | Good points, ausranch, and no snarkiness taken. Again just gathering thoughts at this point. I could certainly leave them at a stallion station at that is something I've considered. Thank you for your opinion and your insight, as I am not a stallion owner and its important to me to consider your points. |
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| I have a friend that did this with a Stallion owner and it did not have a good outcome. |
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Location: Montana | Herbie - 2013-11-20 7:42 PM
Good points, ausranch, and no snarkiness taken. Again just gathering thoughts at this point. I could certainly leave them at a stallion station at that is something I've considered. Thank you for your opinion and your insight, as I am not a stallion owner and its important to me to consider your points.
I have clearly been on the computer too long! haha!
I just reloaded this and saw my post twice so deleted one. Which deleted them both . . . leaving Herbie's response to me without context. So I'm pasting what I said originally below . . . which probably is more confusing! Then I think I'll shut this thing off for the night!
Herbie - best of luck finding the perfect solution for your mares! The basic problem is that inputs have gone up so much lately and prices haven't uniformly increased and horses are SO risky . . . it's a tough business!
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Have you considered just boarding your mares somewhere with stallions and people to foal them out? That would leave you in control of the situation much better?
I'd never get into a percentage deal on horses . . . as others have said too many potential problems. I have taken a mare in exchange for "the 2nd or 3rd foal." That was a fair deal, but frankly neither of us came out ahead on it. I wouldn't necessarily rule out that kind of transaction again in the future, however.
If you can find someone who will feed, vet and foal mares and then sell you the live foals for the stud fee or a little over . . . please tell me where to drop all my mares! I would be SO tickled to not have to pay anything on the open years and still have them eating well . . . . ;-)
I'm not trying to be snarky here . . . just telling you the perspective of the person with a stud and a big feed bill for mares. And as you pointed out, the time and money going to vets for breeding is very hard on resources! |
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