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| I have a mare sh is Quincy Dan bred she is 16 years old. All the paper work was in line when she was younger, no one ever sent it in. Jumping through a CRAP TON of hoops. I found the farm she was born at AND the people who owned her up until she was sold at 6 months. I have since sent papers for them to sign, a transfer paper etc. I have never heard back. I have talked with the AQHA they told me I NEEDED to get that transfer paper signed or else I wouldn't be able to ever get her registered. Is there anyway that the AQHA can somehow 'get them' to sign it?? Or is there somehow I can bypass this by any chance?? She is register able I just need that transfer signed. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | No, there isn't an honest way to bypass it...and shouldn't be either. I just don't understand why breeders don't register them or the buyers?? I register all mine within a month of them being born. At least everything is done on my end. I have had a couple die, so it was a waste of money, but such is life I guess. |
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| Some people choose to sell the horses without papers for less money, as they cannot get the price they think the horse is worth with the papers.
Sorry to say you probably have a grade horse.
Also if she wasn't registered and 16 years old both sire and dam would have to have DNA on file or still be alive |
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Location: Florida.. | Agree.. I think you have a grade horse. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 5:03 PM
Some people choose to sell the horses without papers for less money, as they cannot get the price they think the horse is worth with the papers.
Sorry to say you probably have a grade horse.
Also if she wasn't registered and 16 years old both sire and dam would have to have DNA on file or still be alive
Both Sire and Dam are DNA tested. Her Sire died about 5/6 years ago, I don't know about her Dam. |
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| That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed. |
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Location: Florida.. | BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct |
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Location: Texas | Print a transfer again, fill it out and send it to the people, along with a self addressed, stamped envelope. If that doesn't get a response, I guess you're SOL.
I did have AQHA contact me about a year ago on a horse I'd sold 7-8 years ago. The new owner sent in the papers and he was still in my name (I guess they didn't have a transfer). I couldn't remember who I sold him to originally, so I stated that, signed the transfer, and I guess he got his papers.
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything. |
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | If they don't want to sign there is no way around it. I tried all last summer to get lost papers on a mare that is registered. The breeder would not sign off on anything! Very frustrating and I'm not sure why some are so against helping out in these types of situations. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hank520 - 2013-11-24 4:30 PM If they don't want to sign there is no way around it. I tried all last summer to get lost papers on a mare that is registered. The breeder would not sign off on anything! Very frustrating and I'm not sure why some are so against helping out in these types of situations.
I don't get it either. I have a friend that was given a colt that had a crooked foot. He came unregistered, but the breeder was her paster and so she begged him for the papers. He finally relented and this horse has gone on to be a decent barrel horse for her and is the breeders only proven performer (raises ranch stuff). Not that it makes a deal either way, but if they are out of known parents, why not. In the case of the crooked legged colt, I understand why he didn't want his name associated with it, but he has a lot more crap to worry about with his breeding program than that one crooked baby. |
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| Aha! I found his phone number after some searching. Lets see where this brings me. |
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| It all comes down to money, people think their horse with the papers is worth so much money, if they cannot get that price, and need to move the horse they are willing to take less for a grade horse.
The people don't want someone else to get the profit that should have been theirs
I know a lot of breeders in my area that do this, if you want the papers you pay 100-500 for them to sign the paperwork on a weanling |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:25 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything.
Then it's a lesson learned to check out the status of the registration papers before buying the horse. Be business minded. |
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| bennie1 - 2013-11-24 5:41 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:25 PM
Bibliafarm - 2013-11-24 5:20 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 6:14 PM That's what makes me mad about this whole thing. I've got everything in line to get her registered, its all there. I just need that paper signed.
but you bought her without papers. correct
No, all her information came with me. But they were 1997 papers and so sun bleached you can't make out anything. Then it's a lesson learned to check out the status of the registration papers before buying the horse. Be business minded.
I'm not big on registration. I don't plan on ever getting rid of her so. She was bought as a trail mare for my boyfriend. But I would really like to breed her for a barrel baby. That's why I want to get her registered. I don't want the baby to be grade either. <<< Let me rephrase that. I am big on registration, because I believe in it. I just wasn't ever big on registration with her, because she was just a trail mare. But since my boyfriend and I have decided to breed her. I want her registered.
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| Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it. |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:49 PM
Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it.
I would be rude to if I had people out of the blue calling me up harassing me.
From your posts it is confusing as you said you have the papers 1997 but they are bleached out, then yes she was registered and all you need is a transfer report.
Are you sure that the papers match the horse you have, as I know many horse dealers who would mix papers up and even knowingly switch papers on certain horses.
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| cheryl makofka - 2013-11-24 5:55 PM
BaylenJaxs - 2013-11-24 5:49 PM
Ended up calling, got an answer. It was his wife. She told me since it was so long ago she had to have been transferred over etc. I told her like 3/4 times she's NEVER been registered so there is no way for her to be transferred out of there name but she didn't seem to get that. I told her I sent the letter and she acted like she knew of it. But was really rude about it all. Told me it was so long ago that she didn't know what she could do. Then I asked her to ask her husband to sign it. She was like 'OH WELL. I'll see what he can do.' >.> I went onto tell her the AQHA told me just to have your husband sign it and I can send in the papers. She goes on to act rude about it and I asked her to just tell him I called and she said fine and that was it.
I would be rude to if I had people out of the blue calling me up harassing me.
From your posts it is confusing as you said you have the papers 1997 but they are bleached out, then yes she was registered and all you need is a transfer report.
Are you sure that the papers match the horse you have, as I know many horse dealers who would mix papers up and even knowingly switch papers on certain horses.
I wasn't harassing her at all. I was just trying to talk to her. These ARE her registration papers yes, but they were NEVER sent in. They are signed by the man who used to own her. He sold her, before he ever sent those papers in. The lady she was with, never sent them in. They got sun bleached and were stuck in a folder for the rest of the time they had her. |
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Location: Texas | Are you talking "REGISTERED" as in a Registration , or "Transfered" as in already registered and change of ownership? Or do you have the "Applicaton for Registration"? I can see why she might be confused....I am from the info you have given.
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Location: Florida.. | the lady that didnt send them in is who you bought her from? |
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