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Location: Memphis, TN | I know they have been discussed quite a bit here. Just saw one of his foals is running in the Super Stakes at the BFA. Owned by Jud Little, horse name- Scamper To Dat Cash, sire- Clayton, dam- Desierita Juno by Juno Dat Cash. I know people have been wanting to see how his get will perform so here is that chance. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Poor horse......he doesn't even realize the amount of pressure on him....M |
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Location: Florida.. | I feel like its the people putting pressure on him. he probrably could care less.. He will go do his best.. if people wouldnt judge them or others it wouldnt be such a huge ordeal. just my opinion of course..it was the owners choice and their money to do it. its really no ones business but i also realize thats not how the barrelracing community feels..as in all the horses.. some days are good some are bad.. they cant be superstars all the time. |
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| I've been waiting to see one of his babies run for years now. It'll be interesting and the conversations on BHW that will go with it even more so lol.
I looked the horse up and found that in 2012 the horse sold for 9k so I wonder how JL ended back up with him.
Edited by The1CowgirlsEnvy 2013-11-28 6:45 PM
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2013-11-28 12:10 PM I feel like its the people putting pressure on him. he probrably could care less.. He will go do his best.. if people wouldnt judge them or others it wouldnt be such a huge ordeal. just my opinion of course..it was the owners choice and their money to do it. its really no ones business but i also realize thats not how the barrelracing community feels..as in all the horses.. some days are good some are bad.. they cant be superstars all the time.
Very true, even the Greatest have off days. I bet there will be many waiting to see one run and ifs a bad run holy cow they will be picking it to pecies. I'm sure you will have some really nice hard running baby's and then there will be the ones that dont run. |
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Location: a secret | Who is the jockey??? even if he has a bad day you know it will be the riders fault...... jmo..... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | barrelracin85 - 2013-11-28 10:50 AM I know they have been discussed quite a bit here. Just saw one of his foals is running in the Super Stakes at the BFA. Owned by Jud Little, horse name- Scamper To Dat Cash, sire- Clayton, dam- Desierita Juno by Juno Dat Cash. I know people have been wanting to see how his get will perform so here is that chance.
Will be very exciting to see how he does! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2013-11-28 6:40 PM
I've been waiting to see one of his babies run for years now. It'll be interesting and the conversations on BHW that will go with it even more so lol.
I looked the horse up and found that in 2012 the horse sold for 9k so I wonder how JL ended back up with him.
I'm kinda surprised that horse only sold for $9,000...just sayin, I woulda thought those foals would have brought a super-premium price. |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | In response to quote above -- He didn't sell.
Edited by zipper 2013-11-29 9:25 AM
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Works Hard For The Money
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Location: Memphis, TN | zipper - 2013-11-29 9:23 AM
In response to quote above -- He didn't sell.
I would guess they had a reserve set and it wasn't met.
My only thought on the matter is it's a tough race to premier at. They must believe in this colt to pay the entry fee and go up against the caliber of colts running. |
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Location: Oklahoma | If Clayton's foal crop is discounted because this one has a bad run, then those will be the folks who never wanted to give Clayton's progeny a chance anyways. The proof will be in the long term I'd never breed to him, but am excited to see how his foals perform and mature in the pen.. |
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| Phillip Kenyon started both the Clayton colts. They were going really well this summer. Can't wait to see them run! |
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Location: Silex Missouri | If people discount them it's because this one will be out of a good mare. Not some pasture horse that someone had the money to breed to Clayton. It has been my understanding Charmayne was choosey about the mares bred to him. Meaning, the mares were performers or have/had already produced performers. So if the first crop flops you can bet people will consider it to be a direct reflection on his siring ability. |
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| I think that these poor colts dont stand a chance, everyone is holding such high expectations for them, until one makes the NFR they will never be good enough & thats sad. I hope they all do great just to shut some people up! |
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Location: Oklahoma | I agree with the point about the quality of mares he was bred too. This first crop will certainly be a good test for his siring ability, but I still think it will be several years before we see a true reflection of Clayton's ability as a sire. We can say this about any sire, though . . . breed to the best group of mares one can find and hope the foals end up in hands of people who get them trained and working to their potential. If a stud has a large percentage of poor performers and/or no stand-outs from mares who are proven excellent producers, we'll know the common denominator. Maybe it will take time to find Clayton's best nick, but I don't believe it is fair or accurate to judge siring ability on a small handful of futurity entries. |
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| JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with. 1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
Well, for what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoy reading all of your honest opinions.... |
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Location: MI | LRQHS - 2013-11-29 4:03 PM
SKM - 2013-11-29 3:55 PM
JMHO but they have no choice but to prove him with his first 2 crops. He was set up to prove Greatness by being born to begin with.
1) He's bred an elite book of mares his entire career as a stallion to date.
2) He has a higher stud fee even as a freshman sire than even Frechman's Guy or Dash Ta Fame ever did. Name one stallion that sires predominately barrel horses that has ever stood for $4,000+ their first year at stud.
3) They've hand picked the mares and given him more opportunities that way than even Frenchmans Guy or any other well know barrel sire who started out just breeding any mare that booked to them.
4) His foals are in the hands of the top trainers in the nation.
5) They have hung their hat on the fact that Scamper was the most elite barrel horse of all time so he deserves to pass on his genetics.
I hate to say this but if he doesn't produce winners in his first couple of crops, then it wasn't because of lack of mares, training, etc. It will be because of lack of siring ability. Again, that is JHMO.
I second that. |
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| Enjoyed reading this thread. Honestly if they don't start doing something soon ill be worried. He looks more like a little cow horse than anything... I think more and more barrel racers are going for race lines these days. Wish the best for his offspring and fingers crossed that they do well. Its exciting to keep up with! |
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Location: Michigan | I know when he first started standing to the public his stud fee was $4,000... is it still that high? The only place I saw a stud fee listed was at the SDP Buffalo Ranch page and it said the fee is $2,500... so did they decide maybe $4k was unreasonable? Just asking... |
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